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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2017, 02:25:44 PM »
From 20 secs to 70 is quite a jump - are you using a SSD as I've never heard of Win 7 booting that quick with a HDD.

I usually get 5 consecutive Error Disk 11 when I plug a certain external HDD in to create a system image, but as far as I know, it doesn't corrupt the saved image.

Download the trial version of HDSentinel, remembering to uninstall it when done as it has a 30 day clock.

While it will give a written report on the status of any connected disks, see what the S.M.A.R.T. reports for it.

On another laptop, a chkdsk and other 3rd party programs gave an internal HDD a clean bill of health, but HDSentinel was sounding the death knell for it so I decided to replace it rather than take a chance.

https://www.hdsentinel.com/hard_disk_sentinel_trial.php

Hit the Download link in the left pane and select Save.

You can extract the .zip in your Downloads folder and then run the application.

Having uninstalled it when done, you can continue to load it from there as and when you want to check.


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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2017, 03:03:28 PM »
yes - SSD (20 - 25 sec.) - only for system - all personal on HDD(F) - my documents etc all moved to F-Drive

please see previous post - Error 11 was my fault - I scheduled a chkdsk but forgot to click Y or something
no errors now ..  at least that's what I think it was - I also had an external hardrive (Seagate) connected for a while to check on the date of my latest system image - I'll do that again to see if that was the Error 11.

Otherwise: I have no idea what you mean with HDSentinel ...? lets not forget - the only problem I have is the extended startup time

just to confirm:
- webroot loads at startup - no more permission - = good
- chkdsk = all good
- sfc scannow = all good
- NO errors

however - 60 - 70 sec. startup!!!dark screen after initial loading, just after login - only see cursor


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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2017, 03:23:41 PM »
All of my ext. drives are Seagate.

HDSentinel is just an additional check on the status of your SSD.

Was it still a slow boot up with Webroot uninstalled ?


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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2017, 07:05:52 AM »
Good morning,
I haven't done the clean boot yet, but I stopped/disabled Webroot (there is an option for that)and restarted - same thing.

and again-no error 7000/7009 pointing to webroot anymore. No errors, no warnings at all.
 I have printed out instructions for a clean boot, with disabling all non Win services etc, to find out if one of them
could be the culprit... unless you have better instructions / tips what to do at a clean boot.
I'm not a tech guy and rely havily on advice.
I guess at this point - should I do another Reg backup? Maybe a new system image - just in case I screw simething up.
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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2017, 07:40:44 AM »
another thought:
I know there is something like waiting time at startup and shutdown...

could it be that by using tweaking/Repair it was set to a longer time out at startup?

... and that the webroot issue was just coincidental - since I just renewed?

because everything is fine now / np errors, except extra time at startup

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2017, 09:11:24 AM »
I've run WR on two Win 10 laptops and it hasn't altered my boot up times.

It's been a while since I ran it on my Win 7 laptop - probably because I don't use it much these days.

When you boot up, an AV program can check the files and may not release them in a timely fashion, which is why I was wanting to know if you had the same slow boot with Webroot uninstalled.

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2017, 09:05:06 AM »
Hi Boggin,
I know it's Christmas ... so just for the next time you check
 - I did clean boot - all non-windows items disabled (had only 4 enabled anyways) - no difference
 - did regular bootup (all enabled)  - no difference
 - then I tried boot diagostic option - total desaster - wouldn't startup at all anymore - black screen with cursor forever - no login window
 - got it back to before by F8 > last known boot configuration

- still the delay of 30-40 seconds befor login - webroot now does not start  / permission again...?

   shoud I run WR again - if yes, which items to exclude? ... or just the steps before WR?

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2017, 10:19:47 AM »
@ KR & Boggin, apologies for butting in or your ongoing diagnosis  :shy:

I came across this earlier while searching for something else and wondered if perhaps this may be the issue? Do you use a solid colour desktop background?

https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tr-dojo/windows-7-welcome-screen-pauses-for-30-seconds-during-logon/

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2017, 10:23:01 AM »
I use a custm made background on dual monitors - never a problem
It's just a very neutral sandy / textures gray background that I created myself.

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2017, 10:28:54 AM »
I use a custm made background on dual monitors - never a problem
It's just a very neutral sandy / textures gray background that I created myself.

May be worth a quick try with an "image" instead?

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2017, 10:38:28 AM »
I just tried the fix recommended in the link you provided - I don'y have that entry!!!!!!!???????

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
Double-click the DelayedDesktopSwitchTimeout entry.

Not there!!

And: what do you mean by an image - my background is a jpg image

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2017, 10:40:30 AM »
Also - how can I get this entry into my registry - why is it missing?

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2017, 11:19:47 AM »
Also - how can I get this entry into my registry - why is it missing?

After taking a registry backup first.

You would need to create a new DWORD DelayedDesktopSwitchTimeout and set the value to 5

BUT Hold fire and let Boggin review my suggestion first....I bow to his superior knowledge.

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2017, 11:35:48 AM »
Thanks - yes  - please Boggin, let me know how to get this enrty back into registry - I remember years ago to have it changed to low seconds - even though I have a jpg image as background. It is a good chance to fix my problem.

I already researched: in group policy you can set / introduce a new / missing key ... just need to get specific instructions.
In the mean time I'll make another system image / reg backup

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Re: after using Tweaking/Repair = permissions / delay connecting to internet
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2017, 02:49:03 PM »
Thanks for your work on this, Samson.

As I just use laptops, this solid colour background is new to me and I don't know why WR should have changed things.

For me the simplest solution would be to get rid of it and see if your boot time returns as well as Webroot not needing permission and then set it up again, but to create that registry entry, go Start - type regedit and press enter - accept the UAC and expand -

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Policies then right click on the name System and select New/DWORD (32-bit) Value

You will now see a box with New Value in it.

Type in there DelayedDesktopSwitchTimeout and press enter.

Right click on that key and select Modify and then change the Value Data from 0 to 5 and click on OK.

Close up the registry sections - File/Exit and restart to effect the change.

I've created that key on my Win 7 laptop and I don't think it's very happy with it as when I went back into the registry, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE was expanded even though I closed up all of the sections and it's still expanded after I'd deleted it - but did you try the Hotfix ?

The Group Policy Editor (gpedit.exe) is only available on Windows versions above Home Premium although it can be enabled on Home Premium but you would need to get the required gpedit cmds for whatever you want to do from Google searches.

https://www.askvg.com/how-to-enable-group-policy-editor-gpedit-msc-in-windows-7-home-premium-home-basic-and-starter-editions/






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