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User Submitted Repair Guides / Re: FIX: 1083 Error
« on: January 29, 2016, 11:36:04 PM »
Once I got all the proper drivers updated, W10 has been very stable.  It's running a couple of Vista era Video apps that were giving me great grief in Vista.  Knock on wood.

The new PC came with 8.1 installed, which I hated immediately.  The upgrade to 10 was a bit messy because the network drivers had to get updated manually halfway through the upgrade, as the ones Microsoft had available broke after their gInormous patch.

User Submitted Repair Guides / Re: FIX: 1083 Error
« on: January 29, 2016, 02:13:33 PM »
Update:  YAY!  I've progressed in my computer life to Windows 10 on a new PC with more horsepower than I probably need.  Vista no longer will play a role in my life and the anger it brought me, is almost forgotten. 

As a side note, when I bought my new computer, I just happened to have the same salesman that sold the old Vista driven HP PC to the original owners.  They had spent almost $800 extra on memory, a different video card and power supply to try to fix the problems they were experiencing.  All, by the way, to no avail.  Vista and this particular HP Pavillion were, in hindsight, a total mismatch.  Nice to know, after two years of fighting with it.

I have to admit that the problems I experienced enticed me to learn more about the Windows operating system than I wanted to know.  Again, thank you to all the staff here for their kind attention and assistance.

Computer Help / Re: [SOLVED]Vista Help Pls - Bad Install (and then some!)
« on: October 19, 2015, 03:13:54 AM »
I have re-written my solution to the 1083 error in another forum,3777.0.html , including the list of services that are called by svchost and the various command lines that are possible.  Once you have a look at both areas of the registry that this solution points to, you'll see how both areas have to be in 100% agreement or services will not load at run time.  From my research on the net, the concept used in Vista to validate a service's network rights is the same in the three newer versions of Windows.  The only differences will be the newer services that each version of Windows introduces.  The list of services that I detail in the other thread is only valid for 32bit Windows Vista Home Premium SP2.  I came across a list of services in Vista SP1 at one of the Microsoft sites and there were an additional 10 or so services that didn't make it into SP2.

A great tool to check the environment of a running application or service is Process Explorer.  It's interesting to see where each environment variable is first set during the boot up process and where a service or application is storing it's settings or temporary files based on their AppData location.

User Submitted Repair Guides / FIX: 1083 Error
« on: October 16, 2015, 07:02:10 PM »
Svchost is a multi-purpose tool that Windows uses to run services inside of an Explorer session. It accepts multiple command line switches that define the service's Network rights, among others.  Each service has it's own interior rules of what it expects from the session manager. At run time, when a service is first loaded, svchost validates the request by checking the received command line switch against a list of acceptable services.  If the service is not listed for that level of rights or is missing, a 1083 error is displayed in the Admin error logs.  Any service that depends on a (1083)'d service will register a 1068 error and in some cases a 1053 error.

(note: The following information MAY have errors and/or omissions. I welcome other Vista Home Premium SP2 owners to compare notes and post their findings.)

Windows Vista stores the details of each service at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services

Many of the listed services are not loaded by svchost, but all services that are loaded by svchost can be found here with the imagepath field showing the command line switch that will be used whenever that service is called via svchost.

The following is a list of services as called by the specified command line in Windows Vista Home Premium SP2 32bit.

svchost -k netsvcs AeLookupSvc AppInfo Bits Browser CertPropSvc EapHost hkmsvc IKEEXT iphlpsvc LanmanServer MMCSS MSISCSI ProfSvc RasAuto RasMan RemoteAccess Scheule ScPolicySVC Seclogon SENS SessionEnv SharedAccess ShellHWDetection Themes Wercplsupport winmgmt wuauserv

svchost -k LocalService Eventsystem fdPhost FDResPub LanmanWorkStation lltdsvc netprofm nsi QWAVE ScardSvr SLUINotify SSDEOSRV SstpSvc TBS THREADORDER upnphost W32Time wcncSvc Webclient WinHttpAutoProxySvc

svchost -k LocalServiceNetworkRestricted Audiosrv Dhcp EMDMgmt Eventlog lmhosts p2pimsvc p2psvc PNRPAutoReg PNRPSvc WdiSystemHost WPCSvc WSCSvc

svchost -k LocalSystemNetworkRestricted AudioEndpointBuilder dot3svc hidserv IPBusEnum Netman PcaSvc SysMain TabletInputService TrkWks UxSms Wlansvc WPDBusEnum wudfsvc

svchost -k LocalServiceNoNetwork BFE DPS ehstart MpsSvc pla

svchost -k NetworkService CryptSvc Dnscache KtmRm napagent NlaSvc TapiSrv TermService Wecsvc WinRm

svchost -k NetworkServiceNetworkRestricted PolicyAgent

svchost -k WerSvcGroup Wersvc

svchost -k DcomLaunch DcomLaunch PlugPlay

svchost -k GPSvcGroup gpsvc

svchost -k Regsvc RemoteRegistry

svchost -k rpcss RpcSs

svchost -k termsvcs TermService

svchost -k secsvcs WinDefend

svchost -k scssvc WcsPluginService

svchost -k LocalServiceAndNoImpersonation Fontcache


Windows Vista stores a Validation list in the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\SvcHost  Here you'll find an entry for each possible command line switch and each entry contains a multi-string list of the valid services that will be permitted to use the security clearance automatically given to services run under that category.

Since this is the area of the registry that may be damaged most often by either programming mistakes or malicious intent, this is the registry point that MUST rubber-stamp the rules outlined in the System\CurrentControlSet\Services entries as listed above.  If wanting a total solution, each service must have a valid entry in both areas.  If a user mucks with a Service's network rights thus changing the standard and expected set of rules for that service, other errors will be sure to follow.  I haven't experimented to see if Windows would automatically place a validating entry in Svchost's list when you changed a service's rights. And now that I've got my machine working again, I don't want to experiment.

==== edit 01 ====

Moved EMDMgmt (Readyboost Service) from LocalSystemNetworkRestricted to LocalServiceNetworkRestricted
Removed RemoteRegistry from the LocalService category; RemoteRegistry already loaded with - regsvc command line switch.
Configured Threadorder to start as a LocalService (was configured as LocalSystem)

Computer Help / Re: Vista Help Pls - Bad Install (and then some!)
« on: October 15, 2015, 02:46:20 PM »
Apologies but I'm breaking the standard forum rule about Thread bumping because I just had a major breakthrough.  From the few tweeks I've just made, I think I've found the source of the 1083 Error on my PC.  I don't think I've ever yelled as loud for joy as I did when I heard Windows sign-on music after a reboot.

It all depends on a responding entry for each applicable service that uses svchost, in the registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\SvcHost

As an example, if a service appears as svchost -k netsvcs in the imagepath(**), then that service name MUST appear in the netsvcs multi-string list in the right-hand pane.  Ditto for any of the other services that use svchost.

From the notes I've made in the past three weeks, most of the services that were malfunctioning are using svchost or depend on a service that does use svchost.  So far, I've restored my MMCSS, audio service, SENS, BITS, ShellHWDetection and Themes.  The rest of my afternoon will be spent adding the rest of the missing entries.  I'll report back with the results.

==== edit01 ====

(**) refers to imagepath in the appropriate entry at the following registry key:


==== edit02====

After adding the long list of missing items to the netsvcs entry at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\SvcHost, all of the 1083 and 1068 errors have disappeared. 

I went through the entire list of svchost related services at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services and categorized them by the command line switch for svchost and then checked the appropriate lists at NT\CurrentVersion\SvcHost for missing or invalid entries. 

THREADORDER is being loaded with -k LocalSystem whereas the service appears in LocalService list.
MCX2Svc is being loaded with -k LocalServiceAndNoImpersonation whereas the service appears in the LocalService list.
RemoteRegistry appears in two lists regsvc and Local Service.

Profsvc is generating this error: "Windows cannot load classes registry file.  Detail- The system canot find the file specified."

The Readyboost service terminated with the following error.  The handle is invalid.

After my repairs, I've got my sound system back (very happy) but I know it's not totally fixed.  I'm going to set a restore point and run Windows Repair in safe mode.  More later.

==== edit03 ====

Windows Update has finally been able to run for I don't know how long.  45 security updates were installed successfully with an absolutely clean reboot.  The error log reveals a couple of left-over errors to deal with, but my major concerns have been resolved.  I'm still concerned that my Recovery drive is not being recognized by the software update from HP and that my recovery disks are still coming up with an error.

My theory is that some application attempted to install itself at the security level of netsvc and instead of adding their service to the list, they chopped the list down to a single entry - - theirs!  Or the application cherry picked names out of the list, disabling certain security features of Windows Vista by removing dependent services.  I've never ever been this deep into the registry as I have in the past month, so I know I didn't do it.  :artist:

When my tax refund comes through, you have been added to the list of companies and web sites that I want to contribute to. Being able to vent and spew my error logs helped.  Getting useful responses was a side blessing.  Thank you.

Computer Help / Re: Vista Help Pls - Bad Install (and then some!)
« on: October 14, 2015, 02:01:47 AM »
To carry on from the other thread. 

I've downloaded the update (Portable) and ran the entire batch of repairs in safe mode after a cold start. The extra long file name error is happening in the WMI repair section and is pointing to a location:

c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile\localsettings\Application Data with the "\Application Data" then repeated more than 5 times.  I was able to write down part of the file name (it flashed by in a few seconds) and the only one I could find on drive C: that resembled the name was file.  I could find no occurrence of that file name in the registry.  There was no mention of the file length error in the log files.

==== edit 01 ====

In Junction Link Magic, the junction c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile\localsettings
has a destination of c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local

and the junction c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Application Data
has a destination of c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local

I also had Windows Repair fix the paths but there is still a repeat.  (I don't know if this is critical.)


Agreed to keeping everything in one thread. I'll mentally lock this thread.

I had the same thoughts about junction points causing the looping but I saw no mention of junctions in the pre-scan.  I'll be running a second full scan in about an hour and I'll post the results in the 'other' thread.

I've downloaded the newly posted update today and attempted to install it.  Except for a brief cursor change to show a short spurt of activity, nothing happened. I've done a search for any files with the word 'tweaking' and found no new files added today except for the tweaking.com_windows_repair_aio_setup.exe file.

I'm not sure how to proceed.

---- edit 01 ----

I downloaded the portable version, unzipped and ran the full sequence in safe mode.  Rebooted and much the same errors appeared (User Profile Service not available and still no sound system).  While the repairs were running I noticed some strange errors because of extra extra extra long file paths, so I want to have a look at the log files to see if I can see what was happening.  More later tonight.

---- edit 02 ----

I've scoured the log files and couldn't find any mention of the error I was seeing during processing. The file location I saw briefly onscreen had Appdata and Roaming repeated multiple times.  I wish I could remember what repair section was running at the time.  I'll pay closer attention during the second pass.

Computer Help / Re: Stuck in Safe Mode
« on: October 10, 2015, 07:29:00 PM »
Hi, Rave rocks.
                           Which command restored to you to normal?
                                       If that is given, then the other users would look in to .
                                             were your problems solved. if so, kindly , select modify in your opening thread and add "Solved"  to the left of the query. were the commands used in running the windows or from cd?.

I used msconfig.exe; under the Boot tab, I removed the checkmark from 'Safe Boot' .  On the General Tab, I usually would choose 'Normal Setup' unless I'm in fix mode.

Computer Help / Re: Pre-scan - 121 missing cat and 1 corrupt mum
« on: October 10, 2015, 06:57:55 PM »
Someone has 121 missing cats AND a corrupt mum ? Think of the cat food you're not having to buy.

Computer Help / Re: Stuck in Safe Mode
« on: October 10, 2015, 06:53:51 PM »
Thank you for the 'killsafemode' command line instructions.

During my 'The Truth About Vista' month, I've filled a notebook of scribbling oldschool handwritten clues, commands, registry locations, log names, good web sites, bad web sites, etc. and I've learned more than my semi-retired brain wanted to let into long term memory.  It seems that writing something down on paper, especially if you're stressed or on edge, helps the brain analyze the data and store more of it in long term memory.  Reading it from paper or screen gets it into short term memory, but writing it down sends the brain's storage system a ping that what's happening is possibly important.  Trouble is I have a pop & rock trivia memory bank that covers the late 50's to the late 80's because of my 8 years in radio and 8 years as a disco nightclub dj/entertainer, followed by a 20+ years of business app design and development at the time of Lotus 123, Clipper, FoxPro and Visual Foxpro, SQL, all that in my long term memory bank.  Plus all the mental baggage you pick up using operating systems, browsers, Chat apps.  I've often wondered how much storage space we have up there.  We must have a built in memory disposal system, but it's amazing how a little refresher reading will bring a whole bunch of forgotten knowledge to the foreground.

And I saw a FIRST for me yesterday.  After one reboot from safe mode (640x480), the screen returned to the normal settings (1650 x 1050) but with the safe-mode indicators at the top and bottom of the screen.  And in  that mode, I had full keyboard access.  I mention that because when in normal safe mode (640x480), the keyboard is non-responsive.  The Num-Lock, Caps-Lock, Scroll-Lock lights respond to the keyboard, but all character keys do not get sent to Windows.  And that means no password entries and you can't respond to 'Press Any Key' to continue.

(Yes I do ramble)

Computer Help / Re: Reg File for corrupt (empty) Registry Key
« on: October 10, 2015, 06:06:44 AM »
A sidenote to uninstalling a DVD burner within a gimped Windows Vista system (at least in MY gimped Windows Vista system).  Nero 9 (it came with the burner) stopped working after a recent reboot, coming up with an "Invalid Parameter" error when attempting to burn any DVD.  My burner is 'Lightscribe' compatible and when the background system automatically reinstalled the drivers for the burner after the aforementioned reboot, the subsystem missed linking in the appropriate Lightscribe plug-in for Nero.  The fix was to re-install Nero.  I did not have to uninstall Nero as Nero's install program recognized the re-install as a repair and quickly offered the plug-n and no more "Invalid Parameter" error message from Nero.  (This did not fix the 1012 error from the Recovery disks.)

Yes, I've done both the chkdsk and Memcheck as suggested in the other thread.

For the sake of everyone's sanity, perhaps we should only update information in the two threads in the Computer Help Forum and let this one fall all the way down the thread list. 

Computer Help / Re: Reg File for corrupt (empty) Registry Key
« on: October 09, 2015, 11:29:18 AM »
The first link I'd already seen and yelled (typed very hard on the keyboard) at HP for screen shots and menu choices that were not applicable to Windows Vista.  I had to find a third party tool to find out the burner's current firmware version.  The results showed only HH which is also the first two characters of the supposed available upgrade which I cannot find. (I did find a post that the firmware had to be updated so the burner would work properly with Windows 8.)  The burn4free link gets an instant red flag from my security software and when I over-rode the warnings and went further into the links at the site to try to start the offered firmware update, more intense red flags appeared so it does look like burn4free is another scam to be avoided.  Too bad.

And since the other link you provided has a long standing cuss word embedded (XP), I left that until last.  Vista is the newest addition to my cuss list and I've been using it often and loud.  I live a mile or two from the US-Canada border and I'm sure some of the more colorful shouts from my roof-top balcony have been heard in Redmond Washington.  It's no wonder so many Americans need stress and ED pills.  It's all the fault of Bill Gates.

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