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Title: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 01, 2016, 09:45:53 pm
hi, if one forgets the active passwords of their wifi, there are tools to recover it in windows seven. but in xp, eventhough there are some tools , it could not correctly change to text . why, even when online tools are failing in this regard.
                           if you attempt, thro online, then ofcourse, it does the work , but the resultant output in entire machine language, which no one could decipher.
                           is there a way to read the hexadecimal manually. normally it stores as sixty four digit, could you throw some light on how to decode these hex codes. i did not find any useful link to accomplish this task.
                         is it correct that hex is a two digit code, that has to be decoded. pl enlighten , experts
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 02, 2016, 01:38:12 am
In Win 7 no special tools are necessary to view the password.

Open Network and Sharing Center - click on the Wireless connection then on Wireless Properties and under the Security tab you will see the password, generally hidden but which can be unhidden.

While I don't have any experience of XP, the procedure should be similar.

It may also be displayed in the router in the Wireless Set up.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 02:20:05 am
Hi, boggin,

I am having a combo modem, having both adsl and wireless. The wired connection is my pc having win 7. If i remove the ethernet , there is no connection established
                the problem is there is no wireless connection shown in the PC having windows 7. The wireless is only showing in the laptop. My modem is having combo , having adsl and wireless both combined. When wired it shows only lan connection details.
                       In the laptop having wireless connection, i could see the passwords, but could not know, as the other confirm password is greyed . I could get the 64 hexadecimal code with the help of software. Nirsoft fails on active connection, it gives hex for the previous changed pw. Magic beam gives the active hex decimals also and i need to decode it.
               Boggins, if the hexadecimal code is 64 for all the pws, irrespective of the number of letters or alpha used in pw, then how to decode them. if suppose, one pw for test has five characters, it also has 64 hexadecimals and it says that i could use this in the password to get the connection in xp.  but i could not decipher what is in those hexadecimal . Moreover all are given in 64 digits.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 02, 2016, 03:23:53 am
I think they use 128bit encryption now, although it may still be 64 bit in XP - don't know.

As you can Ethernet connect, let's treat this as a no wireless connection problem.

First thing you need to do is to check if Wireless is turned on.

Toggling F8 on a desktop may do it and have a light for when it's off or on - a laptop may use a FN+F key combo but your computer user manual will tell you which keys you use.

Do you get a wireless connection when you boot up into Safe Mode with Networking as AV programs can block connectivity.

If still no wifi then right click on the wifi icon in the system tray and open the Troubleshooter to see what that reports.

Does the wifi icon have a yellow alert, red cross or is it just a blank screen with an antenna ?

Go into Device Manager/View/Show hidden devices and look for any yellow alerts, red crosses or black downward pointing arrows.

Non-Plug and Play Drivers can also have yellow alerts next to it.

Expand Network adapters and right click on the wireless one and under the General tab will show its status.

This can be that it's working properly or will have an error code.

Give us some feed back on those and we'll see where we can proceed from there, but you can also see if power cycling the modem and router will get you connected.

Switch off all computers, the modem and router as well as disconnecting all cables for a couple of mins.

Reconnect the cables except the Ethernet, then switch just the modem on until all of the lights are on and steady then do the same for the router.

Switch just the problematic computer on without Ethernet and check for connectivity.

Don't forget your restore points if this is just a recent problem.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 03:37:23 am
Hi, there is a separate light for wireless, and it could be enabled thro, modem settings. if you uncheck wireless connection , it is off. I know it is on.
           Second, i do not have any wireless settings shown in tray in desktop pc. But the same is shown, in laptop, where i am using wireless service.
            I do not also find manage wireless network in my network settings, in the left pane. It only has adopter settings.
              If i remove the ethernet connection, total connection is lost, even i could not get connection on laptop, even though the wireless light is on.
              I have enabled the wireless connection, thro the LSP and changed the password there.
              I was asked for the first time, in laptop, when i try to establish the connection of internet to laptop.
               So, the possibility of allowing the wireless connection, is stored in xp  and could be recovered as 64 hexadecimal key. I will try to remember the program i used to get the hexa code. nirsoft has a software, but it could not get the active connection code. It shows previous ssid and codes.
                The other program, capture the hexa code, but there must be a way to decode it to the actual.
                The xp version, due to previous , may not have the decryptor to do more than that.
                Why there was no settings for wirelss in the desktop computer. i will try all the things including show hidden icons.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 02, 2016, 03:58:54 am
Does the Desktop have a wireless card fitted  and have you previously been able to connect with WiFi previously with it - read and try all of my suggestions, otherwise I can't know what you have tried or not.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 04:08:35 am
Hi, i do not have a specific card for wireless , other than blue tooth device .
i have enclosed the network settings in this post.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 04:15:45 am
hi, my device manager network settings , show hidden icons
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 02, 2016, 04:39:19 am
Have you ever been able to connect wirelessly with this adapter ?

I don't have any experience of Bluetooth but you may have to unplug it and set it back up again.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/how-to-connect-internet-using-bluetooth.htm

Can you open a cmd prompt and enter ipconfig /all

Right click in the text area and click on Select all and press enter, then paste into the reply box.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 04:53:32 am
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\intel>ipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

   Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : intel-PC
   Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
   Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
   IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : domain.name

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1B-10-00-2A-EC
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : domain.name
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet
 NIC
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-16-76-94-DB-5F
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::7593:3539:2801:5955%11(Preferred)
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . :
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
   Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, May 02, 2016 2:36:14 PM
   Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, May 03, 2016 2:36:13 PM
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6e72:20ff:fe78:ba8f%11
                                       192.168.1.1
   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
   DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 234886774
   DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-1E-78-CE-68-00-16-76-94-DB-5F

   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.domain.name:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : domain.name
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{B70E5F1C-A8FA-4003-BEC0-FE8764ED0154}:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:8e36:ad5c:10d9:e2e:3f57:fefc(Prefe
rred)
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::10d9:e2e:3f57:fefc%14(Preferred)
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

C:\Users\intel>
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 02, 2016, 05:12:30 am
You haven't answered if you've been able to connect with this device before.

Bluetooth is normally used to connect to other devices and to enable WiFi on the computer where a card isn't fitted, you would normally use a wireless dongle.

I've never come across someone using a Bluetooth dongle to this end before.

Did you edit out the DHCP IPv4 address from the ipconfig ?
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 05:18:20 am
Hi, Yes .
                i never used this blue tooth device for connecting to wireless devices. I used bluetooth only to copy files from computer to mobile.
                when i click manage wireless connection, thro search, it is said that it is not enabled. what is meant by that. Of course, there is a switch on the  modem back to enable this. Should i power on the switch.
                 If i power off, and try with laptop connection, it is connecting thro settings in the router page.
i do not know much about that switch , which is on and off switch, should i switch on that switch to get that enabled. I am new to the switch part.
                  yes , i just edited the prefered ip number
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 05:29:19 am
Hi, by default, the wireless is on thro the modem settings. If by switch off , the wireless lights off with external play. There is one more switch wps, i do not know what to do with it. Is it wireless power switch.
But when wireless is connected , the computer should see it ok.
why it does not see it, and how to work around this problem.
when i open  the manage wireless settings , it says that it is not enabled. how to enable. I have the settings made in router pages for both bb and wireless connection as normal
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 02, 2016, 05:40:29 am
You would normally enable a device in Device Manager by right clicking on it and selecting Enable, but I didn't see any evidence that it was disabled as that would normally have put a black downward pointing arrow next to it.

As I've said, I've never known anyone using a Bluetooth dongle to enable WiFi on their computer but have a look through that Bluetooth set up article I've linked to see if you have it set up correctly - it isn't a Plug and Play and needs additional settings to get it to work.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 05:53:44 am
I have never tried blue tooth to set up wireless connection for laptop or computer . it is a dongle like pendrive which could be plugged or unplugged.
            I went to manage wireless settings to see that wireless not enabled. I went to services.msc and then went to wlan auto config, i set it to automatic from manual . Still, i could not find any wireless settings in the tray or network settings.
                how to enable the wireless in windows seven
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 02, 2016, 11:43:50 pm
Hi, please see this enclosure
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 03, 2016, 12:45:07 am
Hi, Boggins, i want to know a little about microsoft loopback adaptor. Could this be used to bridge connection with wireless network.
                  I just tried to install microsoft loopback adapter, which i did successfully. It has added a LAn in the comuter other than the actual one i was having. This is named with lan2.I just selected these two lands and right click and click bridge connection.
                    I did get a network because of this process.
                 I do not know how to go about .
                    Should i have a separate wireless adopter, other than the one i have
                    How to go about the status of wireless in my computer. please
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 03, 2016, 12:46:11 am
forgot to add the present stage
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 03, 2016, 01:17:43 am
There is no need to edit out a DHCP IPv4 address as it's only an internal address assigned by the router.

If it starts 169. then DHCP hasn't been able to assign it an address and that has been assigned by Windows, so it's best to leave the info from an ipconfig /all intact.

I'm not familiar with any router switches that would facilitate what you describe.

If it's an ISP supplied router, then I suggest you contact them for guidance on this or if practical, buy a proper wireless dongle.

I think this is for your locale, but I don't recognise the currency symbol.

http://www.amazon.in/Wireless-USB-Adapters/b?ie=UTF8&node=1375441031

Most routers have a WPS button, but it's advised not to use those to connect as it does it without the need to enter the password which makes it vulnerable to crack.

As for the loopback, it's something I've never used and looking it up have found these two articles which may be of help.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/839013

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708341(v=ws.10).aspx
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 03, 2016, 01:31:58 am
Hi, I understand the risk, so , instead of deleting anything, i just restored my system back to a previous SRpoint.
                   Ok, How to get the details then on the windows 7 system about wireless connection. It is said that it is not currently enabled with a folder showing green signals. What is the meaning only god only knows. The folder if clicked does not do anything and stay.
                   Boggin, how to know that my adapter is capable of giving wireless access.
                     It is REaltek rtl 8139/810x/family fast ethernet NIC.
                    Should i have to buy or connect a wireless adapter to get the wireless status.
                     Now, as the laptop has inbuilt wireless hardware , it is getting the wireless access, but as computer is wired with ethernet, this information is not reflected in the pc. is it correct.
                      Is there any pen drive type of adapter, so that i could buy and just use the pen drive port .
                        ###This is where i tried to bridge the connection, thro msoft loopback. The problem is it is a virtual LAN, and i have to assign a ip to get connected. I do not know , more than that.
                         I would love to hear from you regarding how to enable the wireless with my computer. If i simply right click the adapter and click bridge, it asks for atleast two lan. There i chanced the MLB adapter.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 03, 2016, 01:43:10 am
I think we are talking at cross purposes...

Is it the Win 7 laptop that is wireless capable but it isn't working ?

Is this the same machine that you have the Bluetooth dongle plugged into  and if so, does wireless work when you remove the Bluetooth dongle ?
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 03, 2016, 01:59:59 am
Hi, boggins if you browse this subject, you may know that the xp is having wireless adapters so , i could browse thro internet that it is getting from my ethernet connection with dlink combo modem.
              My windows 7 , so connected with ethernet with dlink combo modem. I hope that you understand.
               my windows xp could not get me the password , which is in hex format, by a software, so i have asked you the query at the topic.
                If only i could access those wireless settings in windows 7, it could easily be had as per your suggestion in the beginning of your replies.
                  that is the place where i tried all the suggestions by you , to see any settings that could be shared with the laptop , so that i could get the pw.
                   Should i have the wireless adapter to establish the connection with wifi as pointed in the link here
http://technopaideia.blogspot.in/2013/11/frustrating-but-ultimately-successful.html
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 03, 2016, 02:12:47 am
Let's just work on one machine at a time.

Describe exactly what is happening or not with the Win 7 laptop.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 03, 2016, 02:16:32 am
Hi, again
                      Laptop is having windows xp     wireless    wireless settings shown
                      desktop computer is having windows 7 wired network realtex adapter LAN wireless settings not shown.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 03, 2016, 02:34:24 am
So your XP laptop is okay ? and you are having problems with the Win 7 desktop which doesn't have a wireless NIC fitted ?
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 03, 2016, 10:01:27 pm
Hi, Yes boggin.
                    how could one enable the wireless settings. Even , the menu is not shown in network and sharing centre. i got in in search and saw that the wireless is not currently enabled .
My combo modem , is having adsl and wireless. Wireless settings are there in laptop with hardware.
My computer is only having ethernet card , the specification, Realtek 8139/810x fast ethernet card NIC, i do not know, whether this card supports wireless also or i need to have a special card for this purpose.
                             why network settings are not shown in adapter page. only lan connection is shown there. pl let me know whether this support wireless settings access. the laptop gets internet signal with the modem wireless connections.
                                  Or i am wrong in assuming that it will show in pc also
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 04, 2016, 12:55:38 am
A lot of older desktop PCs didn't have a wireless NIC fitted so had to rely on LAN which is what your Realtek Fast Ethernet card is - it doesn't have any wireless capabilities.

You can tell what your computer has with this cmd -

netsh interface ipv4 show interfaces

This is what my Win 7 laptop looks like and probably your laptop as well -

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>netsh interface ipv4 show interfaces

Idx     Met         MTU          State                Name
---  ----------  ----------  ------------  ---------------------------
  1          50  4294967295  connected     Loopback Pseudo-Interface 1
 19          25        1492  connected     Wireless Network Connection
 12           5        1492  disconnected  Local Area Connection


C:\Windows\system32>

Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 04, 2016, 05:46:29 am
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\intel>netsh interface ipv4 show interfaces

Idx     Met         MTU          State                Name
---  ----------  ----------  ------------  ---------------------------
  1          50  4294967295  connected     Loopback Pseudo-Interface 1
 11          20        1500  connected     Local Area Connection
 16          50        1500  disconnected  Bluetooth Network Connection


C:\Users\intel>
this is the information i have on windows 7 desktop computer. So it means that i have to buy a pendrive compatible adopter for my router to get the details of wireless. I will send  what xp laptop reveals.
   
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 04, 2016, 06:03:50 am
 Hi, if i execute the same command in xp laptop, i get the error that following command was not found
could not one connect  the computer having wired ethernet with wireless without wireless adopter
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 04, 2016, 08:47:24 am
It's possible there could be functionality differences when you use the netsh cmd in XP.

Try it again but leave the ipv4 out.

Entering netsh at the cmd prompt will give you the various syntax, but you may have to enter it as netsh /?

You can share the Internet connection you are getting by using the wireless on the XP machine, but it will only give you LAN on a computer that doesn't have a Wireless NIC, so you will need a wireless dongle for the Win 7 machine.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-share-your-laptops-internet-access-with-ano.html

Do you not have SP1 installed in your Win 7 ?

If you note my top line of the cmd prompt, it shows as Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]

The 1 on the end of .760 denotes SP1 is installed whereas if it's just .7600 like yours then it isn't, but go Start - right click on Computer and select Properties then at the top of the page underneath the Windows version, it should say Service Pack 1 - if it doesn't, then you don't have it.

Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 04, 2016, 10:13:08 pm
hi, you mean as pen drive. if that is so, should i disable the present ethernet adapter. will the dongle ,or adapter include the ethernet also.
                    I am asking as i do not know about that . Regarding update sp one,i had formatted it by a tech, who just installed the operating system and disabled the updates.
                     Yes, i updated, when i was having the previous hard drive. everything was lost from it, as hdd failrure total
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 12:39:55 am
The wireless dongle is purely for wireless and you don't need to do anything with the Ethernet card.

If you don't want to use Ethernet then don't Ethernet connect, but it will be there for whenever you do need it.

I would suggest you turn on Windows Updates as they include security patches to stop exploits.

As you don't seemed to have installed any, then you could be looking at about 1GB worth of which some will be for Win 10.

The actual Win 10 upgrade one is in excess of 2GB.

If you do go ahead with Windows Updates, change the setting to Check for but let me choose... and when they are presented, just download a few at a time after clicking on each and then on the More info link in the right pane.

Unchecking the top box will deselect them all so that you just need to check the boxes for those you want then do the same for the Optional ones.

If you don't want Win 10 then you can right click on them and select Hide for those you don't want to install.

SP1 takes about 30 mins on its own so the rest will take a fair while to download and install as well.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 05, 2016, 12:48:40 am
Hi, Boggins, when i tried to convert my retrieved xp hex to a converter, it converts it to text, but that is in machine language even in windows 7. The resultant is not characters and alpha, i used as pw, but it is funny characters having ?inside a box, squares of different size etc.etc.
                             Am i missing something, to get the pw string from these hex decimals
                             Regarding updating i will try to follow your methods.
                                   Is there any manual way of connecting to the wireless with this ethernet adaptor.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 01:20:09 am
No, Ethernet adapters are for Ethernet and Wireless adapters are for Wireless.

The password should be on the router if it's an ISP supplied one, but will be exactly the same for your wireless connection on the laptop.

On that machine, open Network and Sharing Center then click on the Wireless connection then on Wireless Properties and under the Security tab you will see a number of dots which represent the password which can be unhidden - you don't need to go trying to decrypt anything.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 05, 2016, 01:25:22 am
Hi, Boggins. i saw it. How could it be unhidden. Please. Ofcourse, the wireless network password was entered at the time of configuring. How to access. The confirm password is greyed and the password has dots numbering 8.
                    Please how to do.
Then what is the advantage of having the wireless dongle in windows 7. No use? or has use?
The wireless password is being asked for the first time you try the connection.Please say whether it is useful to have a wireless dongle of dlink, of which co router i possess . dlink 2730u router
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 01:42:40 am
You check the box to Show characters.

I don't have a D-Link router any more but if you log into it, somewhere in the wireless details it should also have it, but you may have to hunt around the sections.

If you want wireless capability in a machine that doesn't have a wireless NIC fitted then you have to find some other means of installing it and a dongle is the usual route.

This has been a workaround for those where their wireless NIC has failed, but until you do have some form of wireless adapter installed then that machine will never connect wirelessly.

Previously you asked if an Ethernet adapter could also provide wireless, so I had a Google and found http://www.staples.com/NETGEAR-Universal-N600-Dual-Band-WiFi-to-Ethernet-Adapter-WNCE3001/product_369203 although I'm not sure if from the product details it would do what you want.

For that, I would make a note of the product name and contact Netgear to see just what it can do but as you already have Ethernet capability, then this device would be unnecessary.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 05, 2016, 01:47:07 am
Hi, This check box is not present in xp
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 01:54:42 am
Then you will need to look in the router - but where did you get the key originally from to connect your XP machine to your SSID ?
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 05, 2016, 02:01:49 am
HI, i already told that it in my previous reply. from isp thro router pages.
                   Probably i could have selected not to propgate ssid, so there is no show characters box. But , in accessing for the first time when i try internet connection thro laptop, it asked and i provided and forgot . that is the problem.
                     Only option seems to be possible , is to reset and again reconfigure the modem.
                    Thank you for wireless dongle idea, where if i use in windows 7 would provide me show characters. So, if pw is lost, you could access in your computer at home.
 But i will try to buy a dlink dongle which would pick up dlink routers signal.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 02:10:46 am
You will may still need the password to connect your XP machine to the SSID even though the computer will pick up the SSID - it's been a long time since I've factory reset a router, so can't remember that bit, although as long as you haven't removed the SSID from manage network connections it should still auto connect.

Are you unable to find it in the router and is the password not somewhere on the router if ISP supplied ?
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 05, 2016, 02:33:14 am
Hi, boggin , you are correct to the point. i forgot both admin pw as well as wifi. The internet connection is not problem in setting, as it is safely set in router page.To be more secured, i just thought i could change the pw. I remember that i noted that in my note. The note disappered . The system has bad hdd and i had to change the hdd, where i had stored the passwords. It has gone and i had to replace a new hdd.So there is problem, when i was getting no connection of internet in laptop. It will not allow me, saying acquiring password and get me error not connected. So, i do not know how to workaround this problem. Resetting is one way. i tried to avoid that, as it has to be reconfigured .
                               There is a utility from nirsoft, which i used to get the hex decimal . But it was not giving for the active connection. But it supplied previous pws used in the laptop for years.
                               Then i used another software, which captured the hex for active and i thought of decrypting that. xp could not. But it was said that it could be used to connect. I was in dilemma to use it or not as i do not know present password.
                                I tried all sorts of tricks to retrieve, by copying the hex to win 7 machine and tried to decode. But it gives machine language and not characters.
                                 But now i have an idea from you and samson, to try dongle. If that gives wireless signal, the pc usually picks bluetooth and so will get the wifi signals. if it could be done, it may be possible to reset the router and reconfigure it , by noting the pws in notebook, not in computer alone, and if i lost, i could check show character. Well , i will try to do that .
                                   the lesson learnt, that my adapter does not support, wireless , as otherwise, it would have shown wireless icon in tray. wireless not currently enabled is the message that it is not established. Howsoever you may try , you will not get the wifi signal unless your computer has wifi supported adapter. the clue is, wireless dongle you suggested.
                                   Slowly i am learning the process of how to use available hardwares hidden so far . Now i could immediately set wireless connection with wifi adapter, as i have tried already without connection being established. If the error message is different, tha your adapter does not support wifi, when i click manage wireless settings, would be more apt , with the instructions that wireless could be connected with supported adapters would be meaningful instructions from microsoft.
                                     The experts there think that error message is not that much important, and hence , choose general words, like not currently enabled.
                                        Thanks ,i wil try to buy a compatible usb dlink wireless adapter
update: i have got the wireless work with resorting to System restore. I asked ask leo also to which he suggested nirsoft tool. If suppose, my sr is not success, how could i access. that was the stage, when i raised this question in the topic. ask leo does not suggest any remedy for ramdom cut in internet access and alert of pw . That is still the area of interest.i will  post the suitable question at app. time
                                         
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 02:52:54 am
Log into your router and the password should be somewhere in the wireless security section where you opt for the versions of WPA/WPA2 - PSK with either AES or TKIP.

Is this the program you used - http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/wireless_key.html
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 05, 2016, 03:02:43 am
Yes, but it did not capture the active one.
               but i forgot the name  of the other software. i will try to give it in next post.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 03:26:23 am
That program only seems to give the encryption of the WPA-PSK and not the actual password.

I'm not sure if copy & pasting that key into the Calculator to convert Hex to Decimal would give you what you want but I think the best option is still to look for it in your router.

I forgot that I'm using an ISP supplied D-Link 3780 but the UI is quite different to the older D-Link 2680 I once used and this may also differ from your router's UI, but it should be in a similar area that I've suggested.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 05, 2016, 03:36:21 am
Hi, i will try to buy dlink dwa131 as recommended  by dlink support , usb adapter wifi . But if you supply the words in onward hex converter to tex, it gives meaningless machine language.I will try this usb and try the connection
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 05, 2016, 03:50:41 am
You will still need the wireless password to connect to your SSID.
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 06, 2016, 03:59:25 am
Hi, thanks. i could retrieve the wifi password . But , it was not until i switch on WPS in the router.
Hi, i tried the exact password, but could not get connected with error in connection first. But there is an alert that if ssid is not broadcasted, i could connect to with wps switch . I did . it connected now. Then i went to the wireless properties,to know the password. Since, it is not broadcasted, i could not access that. But, a strange thing, Now my LAN connection takes the name of the wifi, ple see and give solution.
                      I bought the usb wifi adapter for Rs830 and i could retrieve the password .Only windows 7 provide character suppor. Please give me some clue boggins. Where is Shane, Now he is not around to supply some techniques
                            Now, you may see the 4 connections . But lan takes the wifi ssid name. What did happen to the network connection.
One more thing. that password contains 14 but the star only 8. There is more to it than meets the eye
Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 06, 2016, 04:33:26 am
Not sure why it would do that but I've never had to use a wireless dongle.

In Network and Sharing Center, when you click on the LAN does it give you the same UI as the wireless dongle does ?

As you can see with my built in adapters, the LAN is using Network -

Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 06, 2016, 04:36:41 am
Don't know what went wrong with the attachments but here is the one for my LAN.

Title: Re: why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 03:58:24 am
Hi, Boggins, i resolved the issue.
                        It does not delete the name it assigned to the device that has been accessed. I accessed the device thro wps switch on the router.
                          I just went to Network and sharing , and then just click wireless settings, and uncheck to auto connect the device . As normal, the wireless get priority over lan.
                          I unchecked this option, which i set when i could not see that it is connected. It could have connected but without knowing the password, it would not allow.
                            i just created a wireless with my new adapter and named it and in the wireless settings properties uncheck the automatic connection, the first item .
                            Once i set manual , then went to network settings and renamed the homeuser group icon as network from the wifi ssid,  and then renamed it as network. Now, the tray icon changed to show network , as usual. Thanks boggins, for your tips.
                             The Bottom line is "Check your hardware first if it supports " the task you try.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 04:01:28 am
Is there any manual way of intrepreting the hex decimal as Letters and Alpha numeric.
Boggin, i wanted those Bold lines to show in every post in this forum, would you say how?
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 07, 2016, 04:21:38 am
Is there any manual way of intrepreting the hex decimal as Letters and Alpha numeric.

Here you go J,

http://www.unit-conversion.info/texttools/hexadecimal/

Make sure to change to "Hex numbers to text" in the dropdown between the 2 boxes.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 04:31:26 am
Hi, samson, i have already tried this and this gives, machine language symbols without any text . I mean, the hex contains 64 characters, and is there a way of manually getting the letters out of this.
   Windows decryptor programs may be doing this, but i could not find anything and how to use.
any idea of how to have this Bold letters in each of my post
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 07, 2016, 04:39:46 am
64 characters in total or 64 different characters? Hex uses 16 different characters ....are you sure it hex....assuming you now have the PW, try the site in reverse ie text > hex to see if it matches  :wink:

hex use these characters 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f

If your 64  characters are in hex, then split them in to pairs, eg enter this and see what you get 6a 72 61 6a 75 0d 0a                       
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 04:54:25 am
No, if i do the reverse, i get 28 digit hex. and it does not tally with the hex characters , supposed to be my pw. I want to learn, so continuing after the resolve. But samson, what is meant by 16 characters, do you mean to say that a alpha is represented in hex in 16 digits.  If the hex denotes, then my pw is only of 4 letters, which is incorrect
                       I had not taken the risk of disconnecting the wireless connection to input those 64 which the site says would connect in xp. For that reason, i bought a usb nano wireless adapter compatible with my router dlink
                           i was told that hex is user friendly. If i input xp hex in windows 7 or in windows xp , in the same site you mentioned , i get a kind of machine like few characters of rectangle boxes with black colours filld , some machine language letters, and square tilted with question marks inside etc..etc.
                            It was interesting to see one article on  this , that windows stores everything with time stamps including the pws. But one gets some idea on it, the paragraph that should be included is left out in the article, so that i could not find . He also explains some coded software,which would retrieve. But i have other idea of giving it to it. If it could be manually extracted then it is good. Otherwise, there is a risk of giving in your password. Please want to hear some new ideas .
 
                             By the by where is shane, the sharer
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 07, 2016, 04:57:27 am
See my edit ^^^^^
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 05:02:43 am
Hi, I get my user name from those input. So , what is the trick pl
Moreover , idea on repeating the bold text
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 07, 2016, 05:08:55 am
 does the 64 character only include the 16 characters I listed? If yes then split into pairs and put into the converter "hex to text".

Bold, highlight text then hit "B"
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 05:11:31 am
Hi, see my post at 49 regarding BOLD
                 Please give me the idea on 6a etc etc. and also the manual way of converting it. How 6a represents j in the name. Interesting...For eg, your pair contains 18 to give 5 letters. how.Moreover, the star marks contain 8, whereas the pw contains 14 in my case in wifi.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 07, 2016, 05:23:06 am
Here you go, set it as your forum signature, screens attached.

Hexadecimal https://is.gd/6KMXIF

 
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 07, 2016, 05:26:53 am
Shane is in the process of moving again which has coincided with an influx of work for his computer business, so he could be tied up for while.

I'm glad that you have gotten your wireless to work, although not sure what you have done from your description - but no matter, if it works then it works.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 05:34:52 am
Hi, Samson, Thank you so much for your ideas. Still expecting how you get my name , using online portal. But i want in manual way. i will look in to link. i have made changes in profile as you suggested, but how to make it bold is the next question. As i copied the text from my 49 post, in this thread, it changes to ordinary letters when i post in my profile. how to make them bold ?
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 07, 2016, 05:48:03 am
Hi, Shane is again moving...
glad to hear that . I think he always likes moving , should be a virgo sign, fond of moving and changing often.
Regarding , how i resolved has been explained simply.
                   I could not get wifi access , in the first place in my win 7 as i could not give the correct pasword.
I tried pasword crackers but they all give nothing. Then i went to Dlink site for any possible solution. There i come across a hardware switch on the back of router WPS. I think , you normally need not use , it if you configure the wifi with pw on router page. But if you could not, you could get access by using this switch, which is giving direct connections .  I was in the password alert page getting failure connection.Here comes the first try, i just power on WPS for seeing any change. I noticed that a extra light glowing and when i poweron the wps, the password alert vanished , and i got the wireless working.
Then when i go and select connect to a network, the tray icon shows the wifi ssid, which i clicked and got wireless properties. Just check show characters and i coudl retrieve the password i have for the wifi.
                             When i connect thro WPS, the lan icon changed to wireless and i raised the question to you.
                               I just went to wireless settings and uncheck the auto connect to get it manual to show in manage wireless settings.
                               Once i did this the wireless connections gone away. but the wireles icon stayed in the tray. Just went to Homegroup icon and changed the ssidname to network , which it accepted. Now the wireless icon changed to normal squared icon in the system tray. I think i have explained clearly , what i did to retrive the wireless pw.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Boggin on May 07, 2016, 06:11:00 am
Okay.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 09, 2016, 01:01:37 am
Hi, samson, i looked deep in to it.
                  my hex characters does not  have a split on two digits. it was a continuous one as captured by the software.
                        should it be in twos with a blank. May it be the reason for machine language characters? is there any useful link which simply explains this concept neatly and in easy way to understand. I asked you how 6a....etc gives my name
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 09, 2016, 05:12:21 am
Just did a text to hex conversion  :wink:
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 09, 2016, 05:22:37 am
Hi, Samson, i alredy knew this that you have done the reverse to get the result. But what i want is how , 6a..etc etc becomes jraju.
                 In your example, there are 10 pairs to give 5. If suppose, one has 32 pairs, then the length of the pw is 16. But the pw actual comes to 14. I want to know that difference and manual way of analysing
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 09, 2016, 05:34:18 am
Are you sure your result is Hex?

If I remeber that nirsoft program requires a backup config file of your router settings to work....is your router in their supported list? Also IIRC the output can be selected in text format.

Hex and other code tables here...http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 09, 2016, 05:40:16 am
Hi, Thanks samson,
                                  If the router is not supported, it could not give any thing in return box. In windows 7, it gives nothing. But in Xp, it gave me those hex digits. Ok . i will test by pairing those numbers and could see what i get by copying to word and give required spaces in between.
Ok, what is IIRc . is it row and column
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 09, 2016, 06:12:15 am
If I Remember Correctly  :wink: as in, IIRC that nirsoft program can give the output result in text format if selected.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 09, 2016, 06:17:51 am
what is IIRc
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 09, 2016, 06:21:42 am
what is IIRc

It is an acronym for....
If I Remember Correctly
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 09, 2016, 06:26:20 am
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3B B1 44 80 F4 E3 5F 0D A2 75 59 F1 2D 18 06 CC 43 F4 25 8E 18 72 5E BC 05 12 C4 4B 6C 49 A5 1C. So does that means the software did not work for my router.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: Samson on May 09, 2016, 07:56:37 am
Does n't look like it  :sad:

Is it listed in the routers that are supported?

Try opening your router config file (assuming that you made a backup of your router settings  :wink:), then try opening it in notepad..search around and you may find your admin password, it works with some, but not all Netgears. YMMV, before you ask, Your Mileage May Vary  :wink:

Failing that a router reset is your only way out, and when you change the Admin  password write it on a label and stick it to the router, or write it on with a Sharpie.
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 09, 2016, 10:00:59 pm
Hi, Samson, I made it clear that nirsoft does not show the active password hex.It only collects information from the used passwords for SSIDs i used before.
I  used some other programs which got me the passwords including the present SSID. That is which i try to decode.
                          Nirsoft, if executes previous pws, then it seems that my router is also supported. I forgot the name of the software.But when i split, i do find it is with in the range of hex admissable limit digits. I got the name of the softwa
Title: Re: (Solved) why win xp could not decode to actual pw, when win seven does show
Post by: jraju on May 09, 2016, 10:37:51 pm
Hi, samson,
                      On a second thought, i used the same nirsoft in my windows 7 by connecting the wifi thro win 7 machine, bingo, it gives correct password, when pasted in your link. Thank you for solving. Magic ...software does not capture correctly , i suppose, so will remove that link.
             But one more wifi shows, which use microsoft miniport....that is not my wifi, but shows in adapter settings, which assigns itself a wifi password, containing more than a landscape word would take in one line. Do you have any idea , how that wifi is shown in adapter settings.
Pl see post no 46 by me , where i enclosed that/  shall i safely delete that wifi .
                           May be when i inserted the usb adapter wifi, microsoft usually install drivers , and one such is this ? please