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Title: Solved how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in login
Post by: jraju on February 26, 2016, 05:08:49 AM
Hi, It is nothing secret, that ISP gives global ip to its users, and users without any fault on their side, sometimes get the message, that your ips is blacklisted by ... sites, and please answer this question in some sites, and without getting any solution in some other sites.
                    I mean, due to the risk of having static ips, no user prefers static ips, and prefer dynamic ips. But the user is not having any control on the global ips alloted to them during different log in session.
Moreover ISPs normally do not give that much importance to the blacklisted ips, from which spam message flood and spam sites black list them.
                   So for some third parties play, the genuine users are affected .
                   Is there a way out, or software, which would alert one of blacklisted ips or genuine ips. I do not know, if the crooks , will change those also from time to time in an effort to be invisible.
                 Please give me the solution;
                 To become a member of spam filter sites, also a problem because it does not direct to their original sites, but neighbouring state sites, which we do not know anything and also it involves the IP given by ISP
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on February 26, 2016, 08:54:11 AM
Hi, It is abundantly known fact that if one is allotted a blacklisted ip, then whatever security measures one takes would be of futile attempt.
                  Having goog av, malware scan, etc, etc would not prevent , if one has to log in to affected ips. Are there no cure for this.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Boggin on February 26, 2016, 09:28:58 AM
You would need to take this up with your ISP or change to another provider.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on February 26, 2016, 10:45:38 AM
J, Depending on your plan you may be able to get a free static IP address.... :smiley:

http://bsnlcollections.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/bsnl-offers-free-chargeable-static-ip.html
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on February 26, 2016, 07:44:55 PM
Hi,
                 There is much risk involved in getting static ip address. Do not you think so? Dynamic ip address is best advised as tracing is somewhat difficult. Ofcourse, it is to be with ISP.
                  Is the spam filters list as blacklist only on the mail they send thro, the compromised computer ips. So there must be some way to filter these through the respective mail filters.
                 Or is it applicable to all the things, other than emails.
                  If the external ip could be got by the persons, thro some means, then it is centre of attack of all kinds of flooding of mails and whatnot. Is int?
                  I will definitely write to my ISP, but i think there is a kind of limitation as, so many organisations are blocking different sites.
                  Is there a way out of this?
                  Those who are geting static ip are exposing themselves to the attackers,
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on February 27, 2016, 04:20:59 AM
No difference in security between static or dynamic if you have a decent firewall and security setup. The advantage to you in getting an unblacklisted static IP address (possibly free) from your ISP is self-explanatory.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on February 29, 2016, 09:01:17 PM
Hi, The  tech guy warns me not to get static ip address. They say targeting static ip is easy than targeting dynamic.
                Ofcourse, they sell static, ip address only to be targeted easily by the arrow ers.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 01, 2016, 03:42:45 AM
Hi, The  tech guy warns me not to get static ip address. They say targeting static ip is easy than targeting dynamic.
                Ofcourse, they sell static, ip address only to be targeted easily by the arrow ers.

"Unfortunately this is a misconception, you are just as likely to be targeted by a wanabee hacker if you are on a dynamic IP. They get hold of an ISP's range of IP's and scan all IP's within that range looking for a vulnerable machine."

Full article here.... http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/staticIP.htm

I have a dynamic Ip address from my ISP, but this has remained constant for nearly 3 months, so effectively it is a short term static address  :wink:  No problems, the usual port scan attempts from the usual suspects, the PLA, our friends in Virginia etc...But a strong firewall and security keeps 'em out.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 02, 2016, 12:04:25 AM
Hi, Please see this
re there any disadvantages?

While the benefits do outweigh the problems of having a static IP address, a few issues should be noted:

    Hacker risk - Having the same IP address all the time means that once hackers have your number they can keep on attacking. Dynamic addresses change all the time making it more difficult to get into your PC. However, using a router and firewall will help to block access to your computer.

    Keeping your connection running  - If you're using your PC as a server to run a website, receive emails, run an FTP site or a gaming server, you need to make sure that it's on all the time. Any time it isn't connected to the internet will result in lost access to sites running from your server.

    FTP security  - If your clients are downloading sensitive or confidential files from your FTP site, you need to consider the security issues as files and passwords are in clear text and easier hack.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 02, 2016, 03:08:27 AM
The real point here is that a dynamic IP is not working for you.

You are paying for the sins of previous users when you get a dynamic IP that has been blacklisted. I just offered a possible solution of using a non blacklisted static IP, or you could go the proxy route, or you can just hope that when your dynamic IP is renewed that you get a clean non blacklisted one, but you won't know that until you try it out (and then maybe find it another blacklisted one.

If you find that you have a "good" one, you can set your router to "keep Alive" the connection (I do this, hence my dynamic IP has remained constant for ages), so that you will keep the same IP regardless of logging off/ on to your PC.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Boggin on March 02, 2016, 03:36:11 AM
I still think that you should give your ISP an earful to sort this out.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 02, 2016, 04:12:34 AM
Hi, samson,
                   That could not be . Your dynamic ip address always changes. An ip would have been given to you for the gateway specific. That would not change, but your global ip is changing in any event. That is for sure. It is changing for every log on.
                   Normally, The ISP gives a range of ip as gateway ip specific to log in from the pool of numbers.
Do you mean to say that your dynamic ip never changes for years. Then it looses the term dynamic. Probably you are having a static ip
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 02, 2016, 04:21:59 AM
Hi, samson,
                   That could not be . Your dynamic ip address always changes. An ip would have been given to you for the gateway specific. That would not change, but your global ip is changing in any event. That is for sure. It is changing for every log on.
                   Normally, The ISP gives a range of ip as gateway ip specific to log in from the pool of numbers.
Do you mean to say that your dynamic ip never changes for years. Then it looses the term dynamic. Probably you are having a static ip

It is dynamic, but in my router I have set the idle timeout to "0", therefore it is kept alive regardless of login/ logouts, it only gets renewed if I reboot the router, which I do from time to time (usually after router firmware updates). I have not done this for about 3 months and so my IP address has remained constant. It IS dynamic, but the way I have configured it makes it into a "short term static IP."  :wink:
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 02, 2016, 04:29:18 AM
Hi, New concept i like to hear more.
                  router boot: do you mean , you set something in the router/modem to 0 and so there was no change in the dynamic ip. would you share? what that means?
                  You say that you will only boot the router to update firmware. So that means, you say that after some settings, there is a setting to save the current settings configuration, which will progress from 0 to 100 and then save the current settings, if any change is made. or is it something different.
                     So you are not being allotted global ip on every log in
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 02, 2016, 04:35:14 AM
In my router there is a setting "Idle Timeout", which, if set to "0", means the connection is always on, regardless of login / logouts. This is a Netgear. Other makes/ models of router use terms like "Idle Timeout" or "Keep Alive".
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 02, 2016, 04:36:46 AM
Just seeing one net gear settings on idle time. Will report back
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 02, 2016, 04:38:33 AM
So you are not being allotted global ip on every log in

It remains the same, because the connection has always been on.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 02, 2016, 05:06:08 AM
Mine is also set by default , continuous and idle time at 0
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 02, 2016, 05:13:38 AM
Mine is also set by default , continuous and idle time at 0

I don't see a "0" there... the box is blank..."continuous" looks greyed out, like those PPP settings are only available with "specified" setup, yours looks like "auto" to me?
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 02, 2016, 05:21:20 AM
No, If i choose edit settings, the 0 is visible at idle time, and the continuous means, i think, no break. There are other options as well, on demand  and manual. The default or configurer set it as that. But the point, is , i am getting different global ip on each log in. So, i raised the question of how to safeguard from blacklisted ips.
                      Your global ip is definitely different on log ons. Do you mean the ip that was given to the IP address column by your ISP? in the adapter settings or router settings. global ip is entirely different , i presume. It is how the outworld sees as your machine ip
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 02, 2016, 05:27:15 AM
Yes, I understand, my "Global IP" remains the same, regardless of login/ logouts.

J, none of this will be much good if your ISP continues to serve up blacklisted IP addresses anyway. Like Boggin suggested, give'em "an earful to sort this out", they should be resolving this.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 02, 2016, 07:26:51 PM
Hi, The main problem is that Some sites list those black listed as "not" and some says that they are. There are almost 40 to 50 spam filters site, which have their own filters.
                 How could you say they are reliable results. Which spam filter is universally accepted ones? and could individual computer, not server , could be registered to save or alert in the log on sessions.
                Samson, I have approached even ask leo, which the moderator says, that the spam filters also behave wrongly and so many filters sprung up recently without any kind of guard, and instead list one black and then ask them to make the registration to remove from blacklisted.
                 When you do not have the control over global ip, which is assigned on logons, how this could be possible. He will remove one time. The next time , the log on ip changes, and you must ask him to remove.  This is a pertinent issue and ISP says, that so many wanted the restrictions they set to be removed, so that they could get torrents etc..etc..
                   Samson, do you mean to say that eventhough, the idle time is set to 0, the global ip could change, then what it is for? Please expecting answers to the above
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 03, 2016, 03:51:56 AM
How IPs are blacklisted? I have no idea what criteria is used by different filters, or which are the commonly used ones, sometimes whole IP pools are blacklisted, some even block whole countries!

If your idle time/ keep alive is set so that your internet connection is always on then your IP address should remain constant....unless..

1. You reboot your router....Do you keep your router turned on 24/7?

Or

2. Your ISP, BSNL, has their own "Time To Live" for the IP addresses that they issue. Perhaps because they have a limited number of IP addresses to share out?

I can only tell you about my experience. My ISP, TalkTalk in the UK, does not seem to have a "Time to Live" for IP addresses. I leave my router on 24/7. I have my idle timeout set to "0". My IP address remains constant regardless of login/ logout cycles, unless I reboot my router, when I get assigned a new IP address.


Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 03, 2016, 04:15:45 AM
Do you mean to say that you keep your router/ modem always on 24x7. on power on mode
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 03, 2016, 04:19:24 AM
Hi, Is there anything missing in my reply. Is router different from modem. I use ,well you know well that adsl modem. I power off when i do not use the internet
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 03, 2016, 04:28:15 AM
Well there is your answer right there  :smiley:

Leave it on 24/7, each time you turn it on/off you will be getting a new IP, and so the idle time "0"/ keep alive is meaningless.
Try keeping it on a week, all the time, leave your idle time "0"/ keep alive as it is and see if your IP address changes, if it does then you know that BSNL give short leases on IP addresses.

Router only uses about 5/10W, so it won't cost a whole lot, but may get warm in summer, especially in India, so keep it cool if you can.

This explains better what I have been calling a short term static address, ie my dynamic IP with the router on 24/7...

"A sticky dynamic IP address is an informal term used by cable and DSL Internet access subscribers to describe a dynamically assigned IP address which seldom changes. The addresses are usually assigned with DHCP. Since the modems are usually powered on for extended periods of time, the address leases are usually set to long periods and simply renewed. If a modem is turned off and powered up again before the next expiration of the address lease, it will most likely receive the same IP address."

Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 03, 2016, 04:37:44 AM
Hi,  am not bothering of cost of electricity to modem. But it seems that it is not turned on 24x7 by all. Please say , if i do that here, modem would burst on the maximum of 2 days. The power surge would immediately damage the modem , is int? Do you attach your modem in the UPS , so that it is not powered off ,like UPS.
Would it be safe?
Could i plug the modem in the UPS, in the provided plug other than the monitor and cpu. Here the temperature is always in 32 degree celcius
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 03, 2016, 04:57:02 AM
This is getting country specific J, things are different between our 2 countries  :wink:

Here, everyone that I know keeps their router on 24/7. But we are lucky enough to have uninterrupted (for the most part  :wink:) electricity supply. So a USP is not necessary here, I do not have one. I think using one if you have it would be a wise move.

We don't get very high temperatures here  :sad:, but my router can get quite warm. I stand mine vertically, it helps with cooling...
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.routeripaddress.com%2Fthm%2Fl%2F40.jpg&f=1)

Some people add heatsinks, fans etc, but keeping it in a ventilated area should be fine.

Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 03, 2016, 05:00:18 AM
Hi, Thanks for extra tips. I usually power off the router , but not power off the ups. May i plug in to one of the UPS sockets, that is what i want to know.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: Samson on March 03, 2016, 05:02:28 AM
I see no reason why not to.
Title: Re: how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in one's logging session
Post by: jraju on March 03, 2016, 05:06:18 AM
hi, will try and check whether, it changes. Moreover, i have to log on to the non infected ips. I have to check that first and then try the things. If it is proved, then if you have uninterrupted power supply , it will  be ok. But , if power is off, then i get a new ip, which have to be checked .Of tedious practice.
                         I appreciate your position of getting Uninterrupted power supply, not needing any UPS box.
Title: Re: Solved how to avoid the blacklist ip of the service provider in login
Post by: jraju on March 14, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
Hi, Thanks for all help in this thread.
                The global ip , if obtained with uninterrupted power supply , then it is good that one is having safe browsing. One time check with sites like netalyzr would be enough, because of the static global ip, but if power cut is frequent or atleast once in a week, then it is better to have the firewall turned on and be behind the nat router to be safe.
                  Samson, i am having daily power cut, maintenance or unscheduled or scheduled. So, my isp could not do anything in this regard.