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Main Forum => General Computer Support => Topic started by: Oscar on March 05, 2013, 02:36:03 pm
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Hi Shane
Ran the latest 1.9.12 and i had to skip (un tick) the RESET REGISTRY PERMISSIONS although 01/03 went through ok, but 02/03 and 03/03 didn't. It was taking for ever.
Interesting that version 1.9.10 had little problem with this.
Also the Vista Windows Updates seem to be working with no pending.
Thanks again
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The reg permissions repair hasnt changed at all since v1.9.10
There are over a million keys that have to be gone through. And the exe that is setting the permissions needs as much cpu as possible. The fast the machine the faster the repair.
But if the machine is slower and you have other things using the cpu it will slow it down.
An example, ran all the repairs on a new machine total time was 15 min.
Ran it on a older machine with 2 core cpu took 40 min.
Then I had a 8 year old xp laptop, 1 core cpu and the system itself was so slow you where lucky to open even firefox in under 3 min. The repairs took 4 hours.
The CPU plays a big part as there is a lot of work to be done.
Shane
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Thank you
It actually stalled, hadn't moved for about 40 minutes
Is there anything i can do, would rather do the whole reapair without skipping (unticking)?
Thanks again
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Are you sure it stalled? It would have had a command window open showing that it was working. It would change to red with white text and you would see the modified number grow.
Try it again and get me a screen shot if it stalls again :-)
Shane
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Yes that window does appear but stops, Modified, failed etc.
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So the modified never changes?
Shane
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Hi Shane yes that's right + the others.
I have attached what i ran again (just these only).
Sat on 86500 for about half an hour
This happens most of the time but very very rarely goes through ok.
Thanks again
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I see my CleanMem mini monitor on your screen shot and it shows the system is almost full on the ram. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Next time it happens check the task manager for subinacl.exe
That is the file the program uses to set the permissions. Is it maxed out on cpu when it happens?
Shane
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Hi Shane i have attached a screen shot.
The “subinad exe” seems to swap with “system idle process “approximate values, occasionally.
The HKEY Local Machine was running at the time.
Thanks again
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Well the program isnt locked up, the tool is using CPU. I wonder if ti got stuck in a loop. You may have to skip that repair on that system for now on.
http://www.tweaking.com/articles/pages/windows_repair_all_in_one_tips,1.html
Important Info on Reset Registry Permissions & Reset File Permissions
Both of these repairs will take a little bit to complete, depending on the speed of the system, the number of files and the number of reg keys. On a few systems it is possible for these repairs to get stuck in an infinite loop and thus never complete. This is because of symbolic links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link
Symbolic links are a way for a folder or reg key to point to a different location. On a normal system this isn't a problem. But if a system has a bad link that points back to a parent path then everything it hits in that link it will hit it again and again forever.
Example:
C:\Test\Test1\Test2
Test2 has a symbolic link that points back to C:\Test, and now we are stuck in an infinite loop since the repairs do all sub folders and sub keys and will keep hitting Test2.
If the repairs are running for a insane amount of time then they are most likely stuck in a loop. If that is the case stop the repairs and skip them.
Shane
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Hi Shane thank you
Do you think you will be able to cover this in the updates?
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Not sure yet.
Right now the only way to find symbolic links on a system is to scan every reg key and every file and see if it has one. Microsoft doesnt give any other way.
While I couldnt really make it part of the repair I could make a tool just for looking for loops in the symbolic links and removing them. But I have to find the API calls to find symbolic links first :-)
Shane
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Is there anything i can do to help?
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Once I find the time I just need to find out what API calls I need to pull symbolic link info. Then I can make a tool for it :-)
Shane
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Thank you
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I found 2 pages that should put me on the right track
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2483010/how-to-list-all-symbolic-links-on-an-ntfs-filesystem
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http://bryanpendleton.blogspot.com/2010/07/api-for-working-with-windows-symbolic.html
Right now I am slammed, do me a favor and give me a friendly reminder in a week or two about making this tool. I should be able to make it in only a day or so. Just have to remember lol
I will make a note for myself but with all that I have going on sometimes I lose track of time :-)
Shane
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Will do.
I will post on this thread.
Thank you
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I found 2 pages that should put me on the right track
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2483010/how-to-list-all-symbolic-links-on-an-ntfs-filesystem
and
http://bryanpendleton.blogspot.com/2010/07/api-for-working-with-windows-symbolic.html
Right now I am slammed, do me a favor and give me a friendly reminder in a week or two about making this tool. I should be able to make it in only a day or so. Just have to remember lol
I will make a note for myself but with all that I have going on sometimes I lose track of time :-)
Shane
Just a friendly reminder
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lol Thanks :-)
In the middle of working on program updates to put out this Sunday and working on a new game that I am creating.
Remind me again later :-)
Shane
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I ran WR with only "Reset Registry Permisions" ticked on my Win 7 laptop and it also pushed CPU usage higher (between 60 % and 90%). So, such high CPU usage is quite normal for this repair job.
@Oscar:
1. Please rerun WR with "Reset Register Permissions" ticked and then see what happens with memory usage (Performance). Does it increase (gradually, sharply) as soon as WR gets stuck in that loop ?
2. Tick the box "Show processes from all users" (Task manager). Is there a process that uses A LOT OF memory ?
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@Oscar:
1. Please rerun WR with "Reset Register Permissions" ticked and then see what happens with memory usage (Performance). Does it increase (gradually, sharply) as soon as WR gets stuck in that loop ?
2. Tick the box "Show processes from all users" (Task manager). Is there a process that uses A LOT OF memory ?
Thank you
I could do this but computer freezes when it gets into the loop
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The reg and file permissions repair will use as much cpu as it can. The faster the system the faster the repair. After all the registy has over a million keys that need set just by itself. :wink:
Shane
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@Oscar:
1. Please rerun WR with "Reset Register Permissions" ticked and then see what happens with memory usage (Performance). Does it increase (gradually, sharply) as soon as WR gets stuck in that loop ?
2. Tick the box "Show processes from all users" (Task manager). Is there a process that uses A LOT OF memory ?
Thank you
I could do this but computer freezes when it gets into the loop
To see what happens with memory usage when this repair gets into this loop, is precisely the reason why I ask you this. It could be that there's a process (e.g. under the System Account) that's prevents Window Repair from doing its job, from proceding. Or perhaps "subinacl.exe" is the process that, step by step, occupies more and more memory as it remains stuck in this loop.
You don't have to do it now. Do it when you've got more time.
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lol Thanks :-)
In the middle of working on program updates to put out this Sunday and working on a new game that I am creating.
Remind me again later :-)
Shane
Hi Shane just another friendly reminder
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Hi Shane can i re tick the RESET REGISTRY PERMISSIONS in 1.9.13
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No since the problem is on your system and not in the program.
I still havent found the time to make the symbolic link checker.
I wonder if there is one already out there that you could use to find the link that is causing the loop.
Shane