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Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« on: April 10, 2014, 01:43:48 AM »
Hi ! I'm looking for a ERUNT replacement because it was not updated for a long time,also doesn't seems to work in W8.1
So I found RegistryBackup software and seems to be a good replacement and I need some info:
    1.is there any installer switch to setup automatically creation of schedule task?
    2.it is possible to set backup path to something like this :  %USERPROFILE%\RegBackup\
  I tested and seems to crate a folder named' %USERPROFILE%' in default exe path

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 01:58:33 PM »
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1.is there any installer switch to setup automatically creation of schedule task?

No there is not, never thought about adding that as an option. Not a bad idea either :-)

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2.it is possible to set backup path to something like this :  %USERPROFILE%\RegBackup\

 %USERPROFILE% is a keyword you can use in cmd.exe and bat files. My program doesnt support those keywords. I could add some keyword support to the program through.

But the best place to keep the registry backups is on the root of the drive, mainly because if the system wont boot and you need to restore the registry it is much easier todo when it is on the root of the drive.

Here are some examples of it :-)

http://www.tweaking.com/articles/pages/tweaking_com_registry_backup_online_help,3.html

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2014, 12:17:15 AM »
Hi,thanks for your answer
I want to use your software in unattended install,at that moment if I install ERUNT (on xp) it does backups automatically,no configuration needed,that is what I want there,only to install.As I've seen with your software (or maybe I miss something),after install it doesn't create backups automatically,need to use option/button CREATE SCHEDULE
there could be a main exe command switch to create that useful schedule,so I could use

You're right with folder location but it could be very easily be deleted by users,I also can hide it.Also adding that keyword is useful,I only used live cd for emergency situation

Thanks!
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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2014, 11:02:40 AM »
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I want to use your software in unattended install,at that moment if I install ERUNT (on xp) it does backups automatically,no configuration needed,that is what I want there,only to install.As I've seen with your software (or maybe I miss something),after install it doesn't create backups automatically,need to use option/button CREATE SCHEDULE

I can see how if you doing a lot of installs having a command like that would be very helpful. While you could just use a bat file and commands to make scheduled tasks in the task scheduler it is a pain to have to setup when if the program did it, would be nice and simple.

I will go ahead and put it in my notes to add the option for the next update. Should be easy, start the program will the command /schedule (Or what ever I put) and the program sees that, clicks the create schedule button and then closes itself. We are only talking maybe 10 lines of code to add what you want, so why not do it? lol

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You're right with folder location but it could be very easily be deleted by users,I also can hide it.Also adding that keyword is useful,I only used live cd for emergency situation

Supporting keywords wouldn't be a bad idea. The program would have to see if any keywords are in the backup path and if there is, based on the keyword will go and run the code to pull the path that it is asking for. I will also put that in my notes for the next update. While that takes a bit more code, it isnt hard to do, so again, why not add it? lol

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 04:24:43 AM »
Thanks for the answer!

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2014, 04:57:54 AM »
Hi,seems to me I've solved problems above:  I've used portable version of RegistryBackup +  NSIS installer and I've create my setup,it puts c:\RegBackup" HIDDEN  and creates the schedule task :

 
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nsExec::Exec 'SchTasks /Create /TN RegistryBackup /TR "$0\TweakingRegistryBackup.exe   \
       /supersilent"  /SC ONSTART /RU SYSTEM'

seems to work :)
just an opinion: for restore page,would be nice backups to be easily shown,in the place I've selected in this picture,not in combobox (there,are somehow hidden for a novice user) :

something like regbak is doing:




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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2014, 09:20:28 AM »
I have actually started on the next version of the RB :-)

Good job on script to make the scheduled task. I am still going to add the option to the program and maybe even the installer :-)

Here is a tip for doing the scheduled backups. While MS says that backing up the registry is best with VSS and not the API, the VSS is slow and when it is being used at startup really slows things down till it is done. But in the registry backup if you go to settings and tell it to always use the fall back method it will use the Windows API instead of VSS like Erunt does and then you dont get that slow down :-)

I am working on trying to decide what keywords to support for the backup path. maybe i will just start with a few for now.

Also for the restore, it doesnt show anything because it is in the drop down list at the top, so a user is suppose to choose one. You can have the program also keep a certain number of backups and it will auto delete any old ones when it runs.

I will see if there is some way to add a light text to the drop down box there that says please choose a restore point or something like that :-)

I will keep you posted on the new version as it comes along so you can help me test it lol. Thats what you get for asking for changes, you have to help me test it :tongue:

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2014, 03:33:34 PM »
Ok v1.8.0 is ready for testing :-)

Let me know how it works for you.

I attached a 7-zip file.

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v1.8.0
Added a new option to change all the program colors (under the settings tab). The user can now control the colors of the program and even save their color layout as a preset. This is very helpful for colorblind, or hard of seeing users or just users who don't like my default colors :-)

Changed the default colors of the program. Replaced the green text with a easier to read color. Also change the button colors to stand out more and multiple other changes.

A large amount of interface and layout changes.

The tree views now show the current size of each registry file.

When using the fallback backup method the program now logs the size of the registry files that have been backed up.

6 variables are now supported in the backup location path.

Program now supports 2 more command line options (Use only one at a time) -DeleteSchedule and -CreateSchedule. You can now have the program auto create the schedule to do a backup at startup and also remove it.

Multiple code changes and improvements.

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2014, 10:58:54 PM »
wow
 my tests:  on XP,I'll test soon on W8.1
                   %CurrentProfile% 
                   %WindowsDrive%
                   -CreateSchedule at install time   
                   -DeleteSchedule at uninstall time
             -ALL WORKS  FOR ME !!!
                 
     just a question : there was something changed in  folders name
   with 1.7 name was like that :    4.15.2014_2.33.26-PM
   with 1.8 I see something     16.04.2014_8.43.07-AM
I don't remember to changed something in regional settings,I like the new format !


   
Thanks a lot!
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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 08:11:01 AM »
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     just a question : there was something changed in  folders name
   with 1.7 name was like that :    4.15.2014_2.33.26-PM
   with 1.8 I see something     16.04.2014_8.43.07-AM
I don't remember to changed something in regional settings,I like the new format !

I didnt change the date and time format for the folder name. It pulls it from the system. here is the actual code for making that folder name

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sDate = ""
sTime = ""
sDate = Date
sTime = Time
DoEvents
sDate = ReplaceInvaildChars(sDate)
sTime = Replace$(sTime, " ", "-")
DoEvents
sTime = ReplaceInvaildChars(sTime)
DoEvents

sDateTime = sDate & "_" & sTime
DoEvents

So you will see
sDate = Date
sTime = Time
Which just pulls the current date and time from the system, then the program removes chars that are not allowed in a folder name and there you go :-)

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my tests:  on XP,I'll test soon on W8.1
                   %CurrentProfile%
                   %WindowsDrive%
                   -CreateSchedule at install time   
                   -DeleteSchedule at uninstall time
             -ALL WORKS  FOR ME !!!

Glad you like it :-)

I wasn't sure what variables to add for the backup path so I added 6 that I think would be useful. As for the create schedule I realized that if it can create one it better be able to delete it lol.

So it was just a matter of making a variable at program startup when those commands are used so the program knows to just click the create or delete schedule button and then close itself :-)

Let me know if you find any bugs or problems while using it. :wink:

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 11:19:35 AM »
Ok try this out. Also the total size that was backed up is saved with the backup so when you go to restore it will show the total size. Old backups wont.

Instead of looping through all the files in the backups to get total size I have the size saved in the log which the program pulls for the restore. That way it is much faster and does need to go read all the files in every backup :-)

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2014, 12:25:18 PM »
Hi Shane,thanks for your answer
I've done tests with W8.1,seems to work.
I've been used VB6 for 2 years,some time ago :)
I'll let you know if there is any problem,thanks a lot!

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2014, 04:03:10 PM »
Made a few more changes and released the new version, make sure to grab it :-)

http://www.tweaking.com/content/page/registry_backup.html

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2014, 10:35:15 PM »
done,thanks!

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2014, 06:38:33 AM »
Lately on first startup of my W8.1 I see this :

there are 2 fails:
[25/04/2014 - 7:36:31 AM] Backing Up File: C:\Windows\ServiceProfiles\LocalService\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat
[25/04/2014 - 7:36:31 AM] Result: Failed - Error: 6: The handle is invalid.
                                                                                                                                                                               

[25/04/2014 - 7:36:31 AM] Backing Up File: C:\Windows\ServiceProfiles\LocalService\ntuser.dat
[25/04/2014 - 7:36:31 AM] Result: Successful (164.00 KB) - C:\RegBackups\USER\25.04.2014_7.36.20-AM\C\Windows\ServiceProfiles\LocalService\ntuser.dat

[25/04/2014 - 7:36:31 AM] Backing Up File: C:\Windows\ServiceProfiles\NetworkService\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat
[25/04/2014 - 7:36:31 AM] Result: Failed - Error: 6: The handle is invalid.


also log file is attached,program version is 1.8.0,thanks!
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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2014, 08:41:00 AM »
Good to see my new error popup message works :-D

Ok so you are using the fall back method, which uses the Windows API to backup the registry. The limit of that is the registry files have to be loaded. Where with VSS they do not.

I checked my Windows 7 and 8.1 system and I dont have a reg file at C:\Windows\ServiceProfiles\LocalService\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat

The user accounts have that dat file but the service profiles dont, odd that yours has them. But the error The handle is invalid means that the program called the API to backup that regfile which returns a handle for the connection to it, but that file wasn't loaded so it didnt return a handle to it and so it failed.

I will see if my other system has those files and I will see if i can get the error to come up. Might be one of those files that has to be skipped because it isnt loaded.

The file itself would be in the registry under hkey_users

You will see each profile that is loaded there by its sid. You will notice your account sid has two, the 2nd one has _classes at the end of it. That is the UsrClass.dat file under each profile. The other 3 folders there wit the short sids are the system account and so on. Looks like at one point they had a _classes loaded as well but at the time of the backup they where not loaded.

So for those errors you can ignore them, or even unselect those 2 files from the backup. :wink:

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2014, 03:38:12 AM »
Hi,thanks for your answer
I have 11 backups made with version 1.8.0,and that message was not there from the beginning,it came since backup 7 or 8,program version was not changed/updated

no problem I can wait for a fix
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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2014, 09:21:05 AM »
It really isnt a problem with the program bud :-)

Those registry keys simply are not loaded when the backup runs, and when you use the fall back method it can only backup loaded registry files. The normal backup can grab them since it uses VSS :-)

I should see if I can find a good way to have the program try to just do a normal copy of those files when using the fallback method, at least that way it can grab those that are not loaded as well :-)

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2014, 12:20:14 AM »
Hi,
 I've unchecked "Always use Fallback Backup Method instead of Volume Shadow Copy"  (advanced options) and  that message didn't show up.
Manual backup with  Volume Shadow is very slow that way I checked before the option,I thought startup time could be affected,could be in this case slower?
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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2014, 08:31:12 AM »
VSS is slower at boot up yes. because how VSS works is a shadow copy is made of the files, so it takes a bit of hard drive usage to make that shadow copy and during boot up when the drive is already under a full load it will slow things down.

VSS works by creating a shadow copy at which point my RB just goes to those copies and does a file copy of the files. So it can grab any and all registry files for all profiles.

The fall back method, which is what erunt uses is limited to the Windows API, which can only grab registry files that are currently loaded. So if a reg file isnt loaded the program cant not back it up.

So just uncheck those 2 reg files that are not loading at startup and you will be fine :-)

I am going to try and see if I can still copy those files even if they are not loaded. Problem comes where Windows normally has a lock on them even when they are not loaded.

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2014, 10:11:27 AM »
VSS is slower at boot up yes. because how VSS works is a shadow copy is made of the files, so it takes a So just uncheck those 2 reg files that are not loading at startup and you will be fine :-)

I am going to try and see if I can still copy those files even if they are not loaded.
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Hi,as I said in my first posts I'll use this software in unattended install with no manual configuration needed, If I uncheck the 2 files would that setting be saved in Settings.ini and available for every install?
I use portable version.

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2014, 10:13:45 AM »
The items that you uncheck get stored in the data.dat file (You can open it in notepad) so after you uncheck those just make sure to copy that data..dat file over as well as the settings.ini :-)

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2014, 01:21:55 AM »
done,no message on backup from today
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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2014, 08:20:23 AM »
My computer I have set to use the fall back as well to help make boot time faster. Been like that for the last 4 months and today I got the same error for the first time, where those files where not loaded.

So I think I will try and see if it is possible to even copy those files when they are not loaded or not and I will let you know how it goes :-)

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Re: Replace ERUNT with RegistryBackup
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2014, 10:38:04 AM »
Hi!
since I've unchecked the 2 items I had no problems,you can make a fix for users that doesn't unchecked

I've made a test today on XP,automatic backup was done but I found a file put directly on drive C:

Log_Backup.txt
content:


[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] System Variables
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] VSS exe To Use: vss_xp.exe
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Windows Drive: C:
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Windows Folder: WINDOWS
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Windows Path: C:\WINDOWS
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Registry File Location: C:\WINDOWS\System32\Config
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Profiles Location: C:\Documents and Settings
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Profiles Location 2: C:\WINDOWS\ServiceProfiles
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Local Settings AppData: Local Settings\Application Data
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] Computer Name: USER
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (32-bit)
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] OS Architecture: 32-bit
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] OS Version: 5.1.2600
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] OS Service Pack: Service Pack 3
[07/05/2014 - 8:23:17 PM] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"
just my opinion:maybe this file could be put in backup folder

thanks.