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Repair System Restore
« on: October 31, 2011, 02:13:24 AM »
Hello, and thank you for the great Windows Repair Tool. I'm a SysAdmin in my factory and Consultant for our customers too, and I have recently encountered some bugs on many pc with the System Restore function on Windows Vista and Seven, especially on 64 bit editions. The problem is when I try to restore system using a previously made System Restore Point (manual or automatic give the same result), Windows tries to restore the system but on some pc it fails, even with a lot of hard drive space. What does it can be? I think a Windows Vista/7 bug. No Microsoft Fix it patch resolve. It shoud be cool if you can add a Repair System Restore new function in your Windows Repair Tool. Thanx, bye.
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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool new function - Repair System Restore
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 11:56:05 AM »
@Hexist: Did you try ""ERUNTgui"" ? It's program that once installed automatically makes a copy of (important parts of) the registry at startup. When there's a problem then you can restore the registry comparatively easy.

http://www.freewaregenius.com/2010/11/08/erunt-gui-backup-and-restore-your-registry-with-a-single-click/

Or try ""Regbak"":
http://www.acelogix.com/freeware.html
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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool new function - Repair System Restore
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2011, 11:58:27 AM »
Hello, and thank you for the great Windows Repair Tool. I'm a SysAdmin in my factory and Consultant for our customers too, and I have recently encountered some bugs on many pc with the System Restore function on Windows Vista and Seven, especially on 64 bit editions. The problem is when I try to restore system using a previously made System Restore Point (manual or automatic give the same result), Windows tries to restore the system but on some pc it fails, even with a lot of hard drive space. What does it can be? I think a Windows Vista/7 bug. No Microsoft Fix it patch resolve. It shoud be cool if you can add a Repair System Restore new function in your Windows Repair Tool. Thanx, bye.

It all depends what is broke about it. Many different parts can malfunction. The trick is finding which part, then I can make a repair for it :wink:

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool new function - Repair System Restore
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 06:21:35 AM »
Thank you Willy2. I use EruNT regularly since Windows 95...
It is really safe and useful but is not the same thing. It backups only the registry, not the programs and data.
Actually I'm forced to use COMODO Time Machine, the only one multi O.S. (windows nt only) freeware and my problem is solved,
but this situation should not be. Microsoft System Restore should.

This is a post for requests: I posted a "request"

Bye  :sleep:

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool new function - Repair System Restore
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 06:30:45 AM »
Hi Shane, I know that is what happens but I don't know why and what was broken.
(Is for this reason that I posted my request...  :confused: )

So, I think that a generic bug could be require a generic fix
("Why fix what is broken?" "To make it working again"). :smiley:

For example I should start to unregister then re-register all dll/ocx
concerning System Restore Function (even I'll know);
I mean, like programs as Dial-a-Fix, FixWin, 7 QuickFix, etc.

I think this could be a first step to have a fix.

Bye!
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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool new function - Repair System Restore
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 09:50:38 AM »
The thing with system restore is it uses a number of different things.

It uses the Volume shadow copy service (Which I already have a repair for)
It also has to have permissions to the files and reg keys (Which are also already in the program)
I also already have a register systems files repair that helps a lot as well.

What I need is a way to pinpoint more of what error your getting is, then this will tell me where i need to dig in.
If it is a permissions problem then the program has your fix. Or does it need files registered again? If so I need to find out what files it needs and add them to the register system files repair.

Do you get any kind of error code or number? Or does it just say it failed to restore?

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 11:55:50 PM »
What you say is right: sorry, I had not thought about this...  :rolleyes:

Currently no kind of repair works, and I have no error codes when it fails, only the message that System Restore has failed (neither an old one).

OK, so I'm going to compare a safe S.O with a broken S.O. with Nirsoft ActiveXHelper to get two global difference lists of registered files in my systems.
Then I'll post you a full report.

Thanks again,
Hexist
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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 12:42:54 PM »
Great, let me know what you find.

For some reason I cant seem to find anything on the net about what files system restore needs.

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 01:58:20 AM »
No way. ActiveXHelper gives to me too many entries to compare (more than 7000!!!): i left it.  :shocked:
Then I have googled for hours to find anything useful but as has happened to you too, I've found few things.
Finally one of these has resolved my problem, but I think it's not possible to embed in your software (it's a sin).

However, if this method can help someone, look at:
http://www.consideritfixed.com/2011/02/what-to-do-when-system-restore-fails.html
It worked for me. So if you whish you may close the topic.

I stay in touch.

Bye Shane!

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2011, 07:24:08 AM »
Hello to everyone!
Here I post some of my advices regarding how to try to solve this particular problem when the system restore function doesn't work.
Scanning hard drive for malicious codes using an operational system independent program such as Kaspersky Rescue CD or Dr. Web Rescue CD.
Checking file system integrity by using a tool that could be run from within Windows or from a CD.
Trying to see if the system restore function starts in safe booting mode.
If it doesn't we may use one of the rescue type CDs that can perform many repair functions including system restore and  run independently from an operational system, such as ERD or O&O Bluecone.
If these programs report that there are no restore points it means that the corresponding files have been seriously damaged or deleted from the hard drive.
Obviously anyone can further tinker with the data stored on the hard drive; both visible and invisible to an operational system. My 20 year long experience tells me though that
saving important data and reinstalling the operational system is probably the best option to make the computer be fully operational again.
Certainly having a backup (image) of our operational system stored in other partition or in an external hard drive can save us a lot of time and efforts.

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2011, 01:10:25 PM »
The goal of the Windows repair tool is to try and fix as much as it can so the users doesn't need to reinstall.

Granted I firmly believe a reinstall is always the best. But I am also a tech and know how to do it very easily. But a lot of home users don't, and a lot don't have the money to pay someone. So the goal is to try and find a way to repair the system restore. Whats is odd is how Microsoft themselves have nothing on the topic that I can find.

The ironic part of my Windows repair tool, so far a ton of techs who tried it love it. Because they understand it. A lot of home users who don't have a clue don't know if it worked or not and then give it a 1 star rating because they don't understand. A double edge sword indeed.

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 07:31:07 AM »
Hi Shane!
After reading your last post I want to add up a few more comments.
As we know any tool has its limitations.
I suggest you to write a list of scenarios when using your tool may be helpful to repair a damaged operational system, when likely it won't help and also when other steps have to be taken before even trying to apply your tool.
An example of it: a laptop`s operational system suddenly doesn't load and the computer reinitiates itself perpetually. The close analysis reveals that the cause of the problem is the overheated hard drive resulting in damaged sectors of the HD on the magnetic level. The simple solution: running one of the sector repairing tools for instance HDD REGENERATOR. In the case of a large volume hard drive the repairing procedure may last even for several hours; however it runs automatically and once started it usually doesn't need any further attention. When the process is finished I frequently find the operational system working again perfectly well; no other action is needed.
I could write a long article sharing my experiences in repairing damaged operational systems however the bottom line of performing Window´s repair is getting rid of malicious codes from the hard drive. This sometimes is very tricky and difficult and by using just one antivirus program we often don't succeed.

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2011, 12:42:39 PM »
Feel free to post any repair or tweak guides here.
http://www.tweaking.com/forums/index.php/board,4.0.html

It will defiantly help others. And for repairs that I am able to add, they will be part of the windows repair tool :-)

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Re: Request: Windows Repair Tool - Repair System Restore
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2011, 01:36:52 PM »
As an alternate method of fixing this problem, D7 has a "Repair System Restore" tool in it.  I have not used it as I have never had this problem, so I cannot verify if it works or not.  Read more and download here:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/D7_d6954.html

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2011, 07:17:45 AM »
This is what "Repair System Restore" does in D7:

Deletes reg value DisableConfig in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore
Deletes reg value DisableSR in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore
(On WinXP) - rundll32.exe setupapi.dll,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132 C:\WINDOWS\inf\sr.inf


You can see for your self here:
https://sites.google.com/a/obxcompguy.com/foolish-it/d7/online-manual/usage/repair-tab

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2011, 11:27:43 AM »
What I need is to find out what is needed to repair the system restore. Then I can mimic those steps and add it to the repair program :wink:

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2011, 11:37:16 PM »
I also have problem with System Restore - "The selected recovery point was damaged or removed during the restoration" event id 8206.
I have win 7 64-bit.

I have tried many things from tips from other sites, all the basic tips like sfc /scannow and look for virus and bad sector and so on.
Tried "Reset Registry Permissions", "Reset File Permissions", "Register System Files" "Volume Shadow Copy Service "and "Repair WMI" in Windows repair.
Tried  System Update Readiness Tool for win 7 x64, no errors with services.
I have tried to disable and enable system restore with 10% and I have lots of space left.

I "CAN" make a System Restore Point.
I've typed "vssadmin list writers" in windows command line (cmd) and the result for all are:
State: [1] Stable Last error: No error.

My System restore worked some time ago and I used System restore, but after that something has happened.

I have comodo backup, but I have had that a long time ago, so don't know if that has something to do with this.
 
Tried to use system restore in Recovery console but it doesnt work. Also Tried in safe mode.

I think that if I make a reinstall of windows 7 it will work, but I won't do that now anyway, my computer works fine except this.
People how have had the same problem that I have read about on forums, the most of them have reinstalled win7 so that doesnt help me much. And that have helped them.

But what does a reinstall do to System Restore? That would be nice to know so maybee Shane could use the information to make a "Repair System Restore".

I know what "Reimage" has a "Repair System Restore" option but it cost to much just to try it for this problem.
http://www.reimage.com/what-it-fix/

Maybee something is changed in the registry for me.
I have tried to change permissions in the registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\VSS
and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\VSS\Diag
Also tried to delete:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 all with no luck.

I have read about this for weeks but havent found a solution yet.

Are tips for windows 2008 working on windows 7?
Becaus I have seen tips like this, How to Re-register Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) Components on

Windows 2008: http://www.techbind.org/post/2010/11/10/How-to-Re-register-Volume-Shadow-Copy-Service-(VSS)-Components-on-Windows-2008.aspx

I have tried to re-register all the dll related to VSS

cd /d %windir%\system32
Net stop vss
Net stop swprv
regsvr32 ole32.dll
regsvr32 oleaut32.dll
regsvr32 vss_ps.dll
vssvc /register
regsvr32 /i swprv.dll
regsvr32 /i eventcls.dll
regsvr32 es.dll
regsvr32 stdprov.dll
regsvr32 vssui.dll
regsvr32 msxml.dll
regsvr32 msxml3.dll
regsvr32 msxml4.dll

I get these errors:
Error "swprv.dll", loaded but DLLRegisterServer failed 0x80070715
Error "eventclc.dll", loaded but DLLRegisterServer failed 0x80070715
Error  "es.dll", loaded but entry point DLLRegisterServer can not be found - "please check that "es.dll" is a DLL file or OCX valid and retry"
"vssui.dll" load failure - "chek that the binary file is saved at the described access path and then debug for further issues of files .dll binary or independant - specific file is untraceable"
"msxml.dll" load failure - "chek that the binary file is saved at the described access path and then debug for further issues of files .dll binary or independant - specific file is untraceable"
"msxml4.dll" load failure - "chek that the binary file is saved at the described access path and then debug for further issues of files .dll binary or independant - specific file is untraceable"

Would nice to compare some places in the registry with someone who has a working system restore.

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2011, 12:14:49 PM »
What antivirus are you running?  Some antivirus programs have been known to cause havoc with restore points, particularly Norton.  :rolleyes:  Also, are you able to restore to a newly created restore point?

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2011, 04:31:23 PM »
You have done the SFC, reset permissions and everything else.

You can make restore points but can not restore them back.

The errors you get are
Error "swprv.dll", loaded but DLLRegisterServer failed 0x80070715
Error "eventclc.dll", loaded but DLLRegisterServer failed 0x80070715

Which both are normally related to permissions in the registry. But that should have been fixed.

I have had others ask for help getting restore to work again. MS gives no info on what files are needed by the system restore. So I havent been able to make a repair for it yet.

For most people a repair install of 7 does the trick, and they still have all their programs.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3413-repair-install.html

Personally I would rather find a fix for it :-)

On the sfc/scannow did it say it found errors but was unable to fix them?

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2011, 10:57:35 PM »
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What antivirus are you running?
I have MSE 2.1.1116.0 (Microsoft Security Essentials)

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Also, are you able to restore to a newly created restore point?
No, I have tried that many times!

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On the sfc/scannow did it say it found errors but was unable to fix them?
With scannow do you mean "Cannot repair member file"? because that I never have had!
Error I have in scannow are:
 "Error CBS Failed to shred identity: Microsoft-Windows-InternetExplorer-LanguagePack [HRESULT = 0x80070057 - E_INVALIDARG]"

Earlier I have used registry cleaners, but I have stopped using them.
I wonder if that has something to do with it?

I can use "System Image" and have restored windows 7 thru that a time ago.

I have noticed that I have a new account in user profiles, maybe since 2 months ago.
It has this id: •SID: S-1-5-32-551.
I have search on this and got this info:  Name: Backup Operators Description: A built-in group. By default, the group has no members. Backup Operators can back up and restore all files on a computer, regardless of the permissions that protect those files. Backup Operators also can log on to the computer and shut it down.
Can this have something to do with this?

I also have this error related to VSS: Volume Shadow Copy Service initialization error: the control dispatcher cannot be started [0x80070427].
I have searched on it, but my services related to vss are all working.
Theese services I try to start and stop to see if they work:
Volume Shadow Copy is set to manual (tried to start it and it works)
COM+ Event System is se to automatic (it works)
COM+ System Application is set to manual (it works)
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider is set to manual (it works)
Remote Procedure Call (RPC) is set to automatic (it works)
DCOM Server Process Launcher is set to automatic (it works)

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Personally I would rather find a fix for it :-)
Exactly!  :wink:

Thanks for all help!

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2011, 05:53:24 AM »
I also have problem with System Restore - "The selected recovery point was damaged or removed during the restoration" event id 8206.
I have win 7 64-bit.

(...)

I have tried to change permissions in the registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\VSS
and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\VSS\Diag
Also tried to delete:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 all with no luck.

Would nice to compare some places in the registry with someone who has a working system restore.

Tomas

Hi Tomas,
I post you in attachment my fully fuctional system restore registry keys for a comparison (Windows 7 Professional 64 bit)

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE-SYSTEM-CurrentControlSet-services-VSS
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE-SOFTWARE-Microsoft-COM3

Then let me know
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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2011, 07:07:23 AM »
I have compared the reg files and post in a textfile.

Thanks for the help!
Dell Laptop XPS L501X Intel i5-560M(2.66GHz), Win 7 Home Prem(SP1) 64 Bit, 4 GB RAM. Samsung SSD 850 PRO 256 GB.

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2011, 11:44:38 AM »
Here is mine as well :wink:

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See how these compare as well.

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2011, 07:52:02 AM »
I see that there is a difference but I don't know what it means.

Is it safe to add one of yours vss or com3 to the registry?

Here is the comparsion to shanes registry!

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Re: Repair System Restore
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2011, 08:48:08 AM »
I see that there is a difference but I don't know what it means.

Is it safe to add one of yours vss or com3 to the registry?

Here is the comparsion to shanes registry!

Thanks!

Tomas

Makes me nervous to have you import these keys yet. So lets do this.

Export your 2 reg keys and post them. I will load up vmware and put a test install of Win 7 64 bit on it. I will load my reg keys and reboot and if it doesn't blue screen I will add yours. If neither blue screen I will then test system restore with your keys and see if restore stops working :-)

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