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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2012, 03:55:27 PM »
Plus I left AST open whilst I went off to do something else and when I came back the app seemed to have clsoed itself but the old process runniing in background was there?

Think I have understood what is going on here...if you minimise AST on the initial screen, ie, where you can take or restore a Registry back up the minimised app appears in the task bar...but if you enter the main screen and then minimise it the minimised app appears in the bottom left hand corner ABOVE the task bar.  Not sure why this happens or what the thinking is behind this behaviour (would not dare to second guess you Shane  :wink:) but as a result I missed this, thought the app had closed itself and looking in the Task manager noticed it was still running...with apparently no GUI...duh!

Anyway, now I understand this panic (for me) over...apologies for the red herring & time wasting...it has been a long day!  :shy:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2012, 03:57:03 PM »
omg! bad one one me LOL

In the process of messing with the menu for the search the show in taskbar switch got turned off!!!

LOL Let me get that fixed asap :-)

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2012, 04:01:38 PM »
Here you go. Taskbar now works :-)

Might be Tuesday, feels like a Monday :tongue:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2012, 04:09:55 PM »
Cool!  Thanks.  I will load that up, give it a try and then go to bed...and resume tomorrow morning whilst the US is sleeping.  :sleep:  Will update with th results hopefully before you are awake.

You are right though.  It was Tuesday but felt like Monday.  :wink:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2012, 01:44:37 AM »
Morning Shane

Have checked out the latest version you sent last night and as far as I can tell all appears good with this one on my system.

Shame about the Ctrl+F function not being workable as that would have helped make the functionality more accessible.  However just one thought for the future, as I suspect that such a further change might take a bit more effort, but what about adding another button on the main GUI to allow access to the Search dialog...along the lines of the one for Favorites?  Would mean making the others smaller or going for a double row (though perhaps not esthetically pleasing)...anyway as I suggested this is not essential but something that you might like to consider as I think that the Search function really rounds off AST.

Good job!

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2012, 09:20:28 AM »
I wanted to put a search text right above the treeview next to the "Get More Add-ons" but it wont fit.

I couldn't find anywhere on the main window that would work best for the search. I do want the search on the main window, by the treeview. Just no room! :tongue:

Any ideas you think a search option would fit?

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2012, 09:36:06 AM »
I can see what you mean.  Hmmmm!  What about to the right of "Tweak Has Been Ran On This System (n)", if you shorten this to "Tweak Has Been Ran On System (n)"?  Might sort of have some symmetry with "Get More Add-ons"?

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2012, 09:46:48 AM »
If I do

"Tweak Has Been Ran (1)" I have enough space for the search link.

But the goal of that text is so normal users understand what it means.

So look at these 2 as if it is the first time. Which makes more sense to you?

"Tweak Has Been Ran On System (1)"
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"Tweak Has Been Ran (1)"

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2012, 09:50:21 AM »
Indeed...take your point entirely.  So what about "(n) Tweaks have been run"?  Does putting that way around keep it in the context you want it to be in?

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2012, 09:53:01 AM »
Well the point of the text is to show the blue box next to it to let them know that is the color of the times in the list that have been ran on the system.

Then i just have the number there so they can see how many has been ran on the system.

I am adding the search now. I will see how much space it gives me.

Right now have the text as "Search Add-ons"

Thinking of just having it "Search" but if it is just "Search" someone might think it means to search the tweaks that have been ran lol

Let me see what I can come up with and I will post an updated exe.

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2012, 09:56:45 AM »
It is a bit of a conundrum...awaiting to see what you come up with.

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2012, 09:57:22 AM »
Changing "Search Add-ons" to "Search Tweaks" as well.

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2012, 10:00:49 AM »
OK try this.

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2012, 10:15:36 AM »
Yup, that looks good and really allows access to the search feature.

Moot point as to whether it might not be better to swap position of "Get More Add-ons" with "Search Tweaks"...but that is really cosmetic.

Other than that I think that you've got nailed.  :smiley:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2012, 10:16:22 AM »
Good :-)

I will put it out this Sunday. :wink:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2012, 10:27:52 AM »
Good day, so much progress here! :)

That looks really good now! New users can't miss it now! ;)

Also great job on fixing the bug not closing properly on my end, it's definitely fixed now. It doesn't occur anymore at all and not at the start up menu even with the "Check for program updates.." checked.

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2012, 10:28:39 AM »
Good, I was hoping I got that fixed as well  :cheesy:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2012, 11:02:58 AM »
hmm I just noticed the Favorites menu. Wondered some time how do I add own favorites to it but then I noticed that I have to right click the selected tweak. Could this be changed that all tweaks can be right clicked not just the currently selected?

And maybe add a text "right click tweak to add to the favorites", maybe to the edit window where the "drag items to manually sort" is now?

Edit: and the edit list seems bit too messy because it has a full path for every tweak.
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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2012, 11:26:19 AM »
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hmm I just noticed the Favorites menu. Wondered some time how do I add own favorites to it but then I noticed that I have to right click the selected tweak. Could this be changed that all tweaks can be right clicked not just the currently selected?

Has to be selected so the program knows which tweak. The mouse over doesnt report what item it is over.

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And maybe add a text "right click tweak to add to the favorites", maybe to the edit window where the "drag items to manually sort" is now?

Sure can :-)

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Edit: and the edit list seems bit too messy because it has a full path for every tweak.

Yeah I will see what I can do about that.

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2012, 12:07:41 PM »
Not perfect, but better.

Added a scrollbar tot he fav. list and also added a mouse over tooltip of the item in both search and fav list :wink:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2012, 07:00:49 PM »
hi Shane - thanks to you and all the contributors for slick little toy   :cheesy:

i think AST is an awesome program, especially in that users can easily create and submit more tweaks/add-ons

i also very much like the fact that the tweaks are extremely well documented - i haven't seen documentation like this elsewhere and, again, i have to say i think this was a super idea. stellar!

there's a couple things i don't like, some of which may have been mentioned (i didn't read through thread)...

1) apparently no checks are preformed when it is first run to see (and indicate) which tweaks are already applied - because of the complexity of tweaks that are applied through scripts, i don't know this is possible in all instances, but i think reg tweaks could at least be checked and indicated.  this is where i really prefer a simple checkbox next to the tweak so one can easily see the state.

2) personally - and maybe i'm missing something here - i'm not seeing the reason for the control in the upper-right which seems to always display either enable/disable, or just enable.  again, i think a simple checkbox next to each tweak in the list control would be better and would thus eliminate the need for the upper-right control, or free it uo for something more useful

3) in the list control, the up/dn arrow keys only highlight a list item - would be better to highlight and select i would think

4) GUI - needs to be bigger to accommodate the length of the tweak names or, better yet, resizable.  hundreds of tweaks in this sucker already and probably many more hundreds coming.  regarding the program skin, personally, and i hope i'm not offending anyone, i spent some time customizing my Windows theme and i like the way windows looks, so i kind of don't like custom skins since they break the uniform look of Windows themes

5) i saw the discussion about a search/filter option.  i think that's a good idea but, personally, given the number of tweaks and the amount to come, i think better organization is needed.  i would propose something that might make locating specific tweaks easier...

Explorer (as an example)
- Performance
- Security
- Features
-- (sub cat)
- etc.

Network
- Performance
- Security
- Features
-- (sub cat)
- etc.

6) program should detect OS and only load appropriate tweaks.  if this were the case there wouldn't be any need for categories like "Windows 7 Only" i wouldn't think.  perhaps an even better solution would be to have the installer detect the OS and only copy appropriate files (or maybe it does? i d/l'd the zip)

forum related - maybe just because i'm new user, but i see i'm having to fill in captcha and challenge before submitting? 

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2012, 07:14:53 PM »
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1) apparently no checks are preformed when it is first run to see (and indicate) which tweaks are already applied - because of the complexity of tweaks that are applied through scripts, i don't know this is possible in all instances, but i think reg tweaks could at least be checked and indicated.  this is where i really prefer a simple checkbox next to the tweak so one can easily see the state.

The program only keeps track which ones it has ran (by a simple list) With so many add ons and people being able to add their own it would be impossible to see which has been applied. Not to mention that means opening every add on file to read its contents :wink:

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2) personally - and maybe i'm missing something here - i'm not seeing the reason for the control in the upper-right which seems to always display either enable/disable, or just enable.  again, i think a simple checkbox next to each tweak in the list control would be better and would thus eliminate the need for the upper-right control, or free it uo for something more useful

Yes this section is where people who make thier own add ons or for any future ones I do to have the abilty to add controls they need. You will see how it is used in the add on creator. :-)

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3) in the list control, the up/dn arrow keys only highlight a list item - would be better to highlight and select i would think

Currently I have it to where when you use the keyboard you hit enter on the one you want and it loads. Other wise it has to open and read each one as your keying up or down the list. More of a performance problem then.

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4) GUI - needs to be bigger to accommodate the length of the tweak names or, better yet, resizable.  hundreds of tweaks in this sucker already and probably many more hundreds coming.  regarding the program skin, personally, and i hope i'm not offending anyone, i spent some time customizing my Windows theme and i like the way windows looks, so i kind of don't like custom skins since they break the uniform look of Windows themes

I am going to try to add resizing down the road. I have a lot of things hard coded for positions. Going to be fun getting resize going lol.
As for skinning I know where your coming from. I was going to add an option to control all the program colors. But when I started it turned out to have 54 colors a user could set lol So I held off with it till I started getting requests for it :wink:

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5) i saw the discussion about a search/filter option.  i think that's a good idea but, personally, given the number of tweaks and the amount to come, i think better organization is needed.  i would propose something that might make locating specific tweaks easier...

This is the perfect reason why I did things the way I did  :artist:
The treeview is loaded based on the folder layout in the tweaks folder. Allowing people to sort and change things the way they want :-) Give it a try.

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6) program should detect OS and only load appropriate tweaks.  if this were the case there wouldn't be any need for categories like "Windows 7 Only" i wouldn't think.  perhaps an even better solution would be to have the installer detect the OS and only copy appropriate files (or maybe it does? i d/l'd the zip)

Again this comes down to all the tweak files. Each one would have to be opened and read for which OS they support. You can see how this would be a problem. I do have the program tell the user and not apply the tweak however.

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forum related - maybe just because i'm new user, but i see i'm having to fill in captcha and challenge before submitting? 

I need to double check but I think I have it set for just the ifrst post. This is to avoid bots :wink:

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2012, 07:55:51 PM »
okeedokee - now i see things a bit clearer

still not clear on the add-ons though; if the user re-arranges the directory structure, what happens during a program update when and add-on that gets updated is now in a different folder and possibly with a different file name?

add-on rating system - so if an add-on gets a good rating then it's included in the next release? 

this is interesting because there's a cool 'loop' here in that the user can create and submit an add-on from the program.  i'm thinking how new add-ons could be better integrated in the loop ... just thinking out loud here...

why couldn't you d/l them directly from the program?  that being the case, would any add-ons at all need to be packaged with the program? most people would only use a tiny % of them

if new add-ons can be downloaded, could they also be rated from within the program? 

how do you prevent malicious code?  every script has to be reviewed before it's available for download by the program?  if so, and if add-ons can be downloaded, then is there even a need for a rating system?

also another possible idea - would it be beneficial to add another field on the add-on creator that links to the forum post about the add-on, if one is available?
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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2012, 08:04:01 PM »
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still not clear on the add-ons though; if the user re-arranges the directory structure, what happens during a program update when and add-on that gets updated is now in a different folder and possibly with a different file name?

That is a draw back. I should look into a better way to handle updates because of that. Something like just the updated files along side the new setup. This way a user only has to download the updated files and not everything again. Like a more manual update.

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add-on rating system - so if an add-on gets a good rating then it's included in the next release?

this is interesting because there's a cool 'loop' here in that the user can create and submit an add-on from the program.  i'm thinking how new add-ons could be better integrated in the loop ... just thinking out loud here...

why couldn't you d/l them directly from the program?  that being the case, would any add-ons at all need to be packaged with the program? most people would only use a tiny % of them

if new add-ons can be downloaded, could they also be rated from within the program? 

These are things I plan on depending if the program gets popular. Right now it is still very new and unknown. I want to do an add on option and ratings just like firefox does. I love the way they do it and want to do something similar. But that is a HUGE task and need the program to be more popular to warrant it.

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how do you prevent malicious code?  every script has to be reviewed before it's available for download by the program?  if so, and if add-ons can be downloaded, then is there even a need for a rating system?

Right now people post their new add ons in the forums. There they will find a like button. This is my current easy way to rate them in the forum till I find something better.

From there users can leave comments and also request the add on be included in the program. By having it posted here I can keep an eye on things as well. And so can other users.


All future plans that depend on how the program grows :-)

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Re: Advanced System Tweaker Suggestion
« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2012, 08:27:47 PM »
thanks for the reply

this would be down the road, i know, but i'll mention it anyway 'cause i'm all excited... and it does sort of fit with your future plans i think

the problem (if you want to call it that) with the mozilla system is that to interact with the developer/community you have to go to the website.  i'm just thinking here about what you've created with the add-on creator and how that could be extended into a sort of community, but all from *within the program* with no need to go anywhere else.  so you can apply, download, create, submit, rate and view add-on ratings all from within the program - a sort of 'social tweaking platform'   :smiley:

so an add-on is created and submitted, then reviewed by 'staff' - i'm sure allot of forum users would be willing to hunt malicious coders and crappy scripts - and then is released, after which it is immediately available for download in the program, probably from a dedicated part of the UI where they can check off the ones they want and permanently hide the ones they don't

and on occasion the users ratings for tweaks are uploaded so they can be shared among others

glad i'm not coding this!  :rolleyes:

also, you posted while i was editing my last post so i'll mention it again in case you didn't catch it...

another possible idea - would it be beneficial to add another field on the add-on creator that links to the forum post about the add-on, if one is available?