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Title: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 11, 2015, 02:08:17 PM
noticed a debate I love a debate  :cheesy: have at it YALL!
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 11, 2015, 02:25:03 PM
noticed a debate I love a debate  :cheesy: have at it YALL!

 :cheesy:
I just don't like Google as my default search engine, OK so you can block tracking with an add on like Ghostery or similar, but i prefer to vote with my feet and walk away. DuckDuckGo ( weird name, not really sure where that came from) is my preferred search engine. I know that it is Google's world, but we don't all have to live in it........Others will disagree I'm sure  :wink:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 11, 2015, 03:11:43 PM
I've. Heard of it but I use Bing lol
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 11, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
Give it a shot, you won't go back to Bing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't sit around in a tinfoil hat.  But I don't want to be tracked, lose my privacy and get my searches filtered. Why would a company have a corporate motto of "Don't Be Evil", should n't that be self-evident?

Waiting for the Google Fanboys to show up   :wink:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 12, 2015, 01:47:25 AM
Hi, Take it in lighter vein.
                               Google is the best search engine. Privacy data is the lone problem in this. This is widely used search engine.
                                   In this day of world in your pocket, google though , filtered data it is harmless. What it does. It would supply to some vendors thats all. What is that going to do. Nothing. Unless or otherwise, you share financial data, which is suspect under phising.
                                            But other search engines, do not provide the search as easy as google. Why look in to the one part without realising the other benefits. Just type and you get all the things you want . Suffice to say that firefox, eventhough a separate browser, keeps the search engine google for it. If you have firefox, searching in google minimizes the risks by its secured filter.
                                                   With all the short comings of google, i use firefox browser with google search engine,default of firefox. It is the safest bet according to me. For some days, i do not find shane and boggin heroes
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 12, 2015, 03:20:00 AM
filtered data it is harmless. What it does. It would supply to some vendors thats all. What is that going to do. Nothing.                                           

 :omg: "some vendors" = convicted multinational corporations, and what about PRISM? Google supply data to the NSA, GCHQ etc. Do you trust all these organisations to not misuse your personal information and keep it safe? In the US, Federal Government recently got hacked by China, so you can bet your bottom dollar that they are/ have tried to hack all other large corporations, government departments and NGOs. So all your personal data could be on a huge database in China!

                                            But other search engines, do not provide the search as easy as google. Why look in to the one part without realising the other benefits. Just type and you get all the things you want .

Google results are filtered based on your previous searches and surfing destinations, so as a result you do not "get all the things you want", you get all the things that Google thinks that you want.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Gamezertruth on June 13, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
noticed a debate I love a debate  :cheesy: have at it YALL!

For me I really do not care very much for the Google search engine I have not put anything for family or friends stuff in my computer or both,
Do not forget that the Google search engine is full of place to get the infection very quickly! If you are using the older version of the browsers then exposed to all kinds of security risks will be ....

I myself i hate Google search engine ! lol but i had to use it ! :wink:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 13, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
I myself i hate Google search engine ! lol but i had to use it ! :wink:

No you don't,

https://duckduckgo.com/
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Gamezertruth on June 13, 2015, 03:31:28 PM
I myself i hate Google search engine ! lol but i had to use it ! :wink:

No you don't,

https://duckduckgo.com/

thank but they have an duckduckgo extension for web browser ? so what you think ? do i need to install them ?
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 13, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
If you are using FF you can just select it from the search bar drop down menu, no need to install anything. Or bookmark the link and ue it from there.

https://duckduckgo.com/

Deal with your main issue first  :wink:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Gamezertruth on June 13, 2015, 03:40:06 PM
If you are using FF you can just select it from the search bar drop down menu, no need to install anything. Or bookmark the link and ue it from there.

https://duckduckgo.com/

Deal with your main issue first  :wink:

i will do  :smiley:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: ComputerJunkie on June 18, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
I won't touch bing and google with a 10-foot pole! When on a computer, they are the first 2 things to go

I also use duckduckgo and https ixquick. I don't trust ixquick as much after they connected to google!

I use ipl2 for researching a lot. I've used dogpile a few times.

I am just getting sick and tired of search engines, in general and on shopping sites, losing their more specific results.

You put in pink flamingo and you could get muddy horses, dvds for sale or something! hahaha Back in the mid-90's, search optimization was soooo much better. I know they are doing it on purpose, but it really gets my goat.

Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 18, 2015, 04:15:39 PM
not to mention people will pay google to have there sites posted first on the search engine  :wink:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 18, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
not to mention people will pay google to have there sites posted first on the search engine  :wink:

"Don't be evil".....Unless someone gives you a ton of ca$h  :wink:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Gamezertruth on June 19, 2015, 01:54:46 PM
not to mention people will pay google to have there sites posted first on the search engine  :wink:

"Don't be evil".....Unless someone gives you a ton of ca$h  :wink:

As always! Money$ change of souls! lol  :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 19, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Haha what have I started  :artist:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 19, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Haha what have I started  :artist:

An open and frank debate.
Or did you just light the blue touchpaper and walk away  :wink:

Seems like more Google haters than lovers here.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 19, 2015, 04:18:27 PM
Haha what have I started  :artist:

An open and frank debate.
Or did you just light the blue touchpaper and walk away  :wink:

Seems like more Google haters than lovers here.
I lit the paper and checked it every now and then ha
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 19, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
Well the thread has had over 200 views, so I guess a few will at least have taken a look at alternatives to Google and maybe even have switched. It comes as a surprise to some folks that there are alternative search engines out there.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 19, 2015, 05:26:21 PM
Well the thread has had over 200 views, so I guess a few will at least have taken a look at alternatives to Google and maybe even have switched. It comes as a surprise to some folks that there are alternative search engines out there.
right  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 24, 2015, 10:37:21 AM
GOOGLE really is listening to its users.....

http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/google-downloaded-audio-listeners-without-users-consent-chromium-users-say-is-your-microphone-on-12093.html?utm_source=SMGlobal&utm_medium=SMGlobal&utm_campaign=H4S
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 25, 2015, 02:01:05 AM
Hi, Samson
                           It is a kind of thing that even if you delete the history browsed thro the web pages in firefox, which use google as its search base, the history in google search engine are not deducted. You have to go to the chrome browser to delete those.
                                    Why cannot firefox have a separate search engine, as it has more secured browsing experience.
                                          Firefox users would outnumber chrome, because of its kind of self programming of searching personal wep information sites, etc.etc. Though firefox is safe compared to ie and chrome, now avast is sponsoring chrome,i think if it has its own search engine, then things would look. Am i correct. I do not have chrome, but firefox by having it forces google on you. HOW is it
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 25, 2015, 03:52:09 AM
                                    Why cannot firefox have a separate search engine, as it has more secured browsing experience.
                                         

Google is the default in firefox, but if you check in the seach bar drop down menu then you will find DuckDuckGo
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 25, 2015, 10:59:18 PM
Samson, Would you say more about duckduckgo.
                        Who is the owner of this site. What were your experience. Ofcourse, google is storing unwanted history of the sites thro its self program.
                               Would that not apply to all search engine. My concern is why firefox does not have its own search engine.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 25, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
GOOGLE really is listening to its users.....

http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/google-downloaded-audio-listeners-without-users-consent-chromium-users-say-is-your-microphone-on-12093.html?utm_source=SMGlobal&utm_medium=SMGlobal&utm_campaign=H4S

Just tried that out its kinda cool to be honest I like it.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 26, 2015, 12:14:01 AM
Hi, Julian,
                  What is your clear message. Do i have to try duckduckgo. Please share your experience on that. What is the link in your post referred to.
                    Google is listening....
                                   May also mean it is listening to its viewers and users.
                                       May also means that it a kind of snooping on all the user activities. The thread only shows that it involuntarily collects user information on sites, etc etc. I will make a visit to duckduckgo
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 26, 2015, 12:22:35 AM
Hi, Julian,
                  What is your clear message. Do i have to try duckduckgo. Please share your experience on that. What is the link in your post referred to.
                    Google is listening....
                                   May also mean it is listening to its viewers and users.
                                       May also means that it a kind of snooping on all the user activities. The thread only shows that it involuntarily collects user information on sites, etc etc. I will make a visit to duckduckgo
I was saying I liked the voice command for google searching. the duckduckgo web search is up to anyone I personally like bing over the different search engines this thread is all about debating the integrity of search engines I'm hoping people will have a better light on trying new things. the links that were posted are not meant to scare users just to enlighten them. To be honest I don't believe there is a best search engine its all about preference.  :wink:
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 26, 2015, 12:30:01 AM
Hi, Julian,
                            Now i understand. Does duckduckgo provide search results for regional language. What about it . i do not know. I am only perusing now. If it does not steal your personal information, then it is good try and would prove to be alternative. But if it is like babylon search or my search then it is a kind of PUP Potentially unwanted programme.
                                         
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 26, 2015, 12:43:22 AM
Hi, Julian,
                         Does duckduckgo provide search results for regional language.
                                         
yes

https://duckduckgo.com/settings

But if it is like babylon search or my search then it is a kind of PUP Potentially unwanted programme.
                                         
no its not a PUP it is nowhere near a PUP
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 26, 2015, 12:51:43 AM
Hi, Nice, i have selected the regional language . But then how to type in search bar in the selected language. Is there any keyboard available like phonetic keyboard in google. How to type in selected regional language.
                         Where is the origin of this site.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 26, 2015, 01:08:09 AM
Hi, Nice, i have selected the regional language . But then how to type in search bar in the selected language. Is there any keyboard available like phonetic keyboard in google. How to type in selected regional language.
                         Where is the origin of this site.
not sure maybe samson can help on that I never used duckduckgo
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 26, 2015, 01:23:06 AM
Hi, So as regards localized search, the duckduckgo does not offer much. If it has a keyboard, then perhaps this may.
                   For univesal search, may be it is becoming used by so many now.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 26, 2015, 03:45:01 AM
Hi, So as regards localized search, the duckduckgo does not offer much. If it has a keyboard, then perhaps this may.
                   For univesal search, may be it is becoming used by so many now.

The language choice is for the interface only, not search entries, that is controlled by your OS.

The country location generates search results more relevant to your specific location.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 26, 2015, 06:24:50 PM
Hi, I understand . I have selected correctly everything. But how do you get results of regional language if you type in English. Google has the key board to phonetically type, that is typing in english, but the resultant typing shows regional language and so the results in regional language. May be that is the improvement sought or i do not know how to do this. Engllish searches are ok. But you also need search engines in your specific language.
                           But since, the language i have choosen is supported by duckduckgo, there may be something i miss.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 27, 2015, 01:36:59 AM
Hi, How to have duckduck go as search engine. I do not want them to have in firefox, ie, or chrome or in othr browsers. How to have that as the sole engine.
                           Does that has option of download and saving like other browsers.
                                     If you use firefox, it shows the history of visiting pages, the main crucial point of this topic. Pl thro light
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 27, 2015, 03:12:07 AM
You can set your homepage as DuckDuckGo, if that is what you mean.

Firefox will save your history, unless you set it otherwise.

The point in this thread was that DuckDuckGo does not store details of your activity, whereas Google etc do.

Bear in mind that aside from Google searches, they continue to track you online.....unless you use something like https://www.ghostery.com/en/our-solutions/ghostery-add-on/ , or similar.

See the screenshot below of trackers on Tweaking.com homepage.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 28, 2015, 05:40:07 AM
Samson,
                   Would you add more information about the localised search with this. There is no problem. in IE, i made it as default engine.
                                        Is it work like firefox, which has google as search engine. I mean, it works as search engine in another browser. Does not have its own search engine, only browser.Is that correct?
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 28, 2015, 05:55:55 AM
FF settings > Options > Search

As below.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on June 28, 2015, 06:05:29 AM
Hi, Samson, My query is related to the typing of search words in duckduckgo. Because, there are so many blogs and sites in my regional lanaguage. Google has keyboard for all the languages so, you could search in your language and the results would be shown in the same language.
                                       But the search results are showing the regional sites which have english as common language.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 28, 2015, 09:39:56 AM
Jraju,

I do not know the answer to that one my friend, I think you may have to toggle your regional and language settings for your OS in control panel, in order to enter the search word in the language that you want and hopefully display the results in the same.

When english is your first language, it makes you lazy  :shy:

Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Gamezertruth on June 28, 2015, 01:17:32 PM
so where is DuckDuckGo location on ?
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 28, 2015, 04:01:14 PM
so where is DuckDuckGo location on ?

Can you rephrase the question Gamez? I'm not sure what you are asking.
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 28, 2015, 04:22:02 PM
so where is DuckDuckGo location on ?

Can you rephrase the question Gamez? I'm not sure what you are asking.
Samson you are converting everyone lmao
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on June 28, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
Samson you are converting everyone lmao

"Hallelujah". Just spreading the word....
https://duckduckgo.com/spread
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 28, 2015, 04:43:10 PM
Samson you are converting everyone lmao

"Hallelujah". Just spreading the word....
https://duckduckgo.com/spread
Let me Bing that!
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Gamezertruth on June 28, 2015, 04:51:33 PM
so where is DuckDuckGo location on ?

Can you rephrase the question Gamez? I'm not sure what you are asking.

I mean DuckDuckGo where it comes from! From any country/region is located?
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Julian on June 28, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
so where is DuckDuckGo location on ?

Can you rephrase the question Gamez? I'm not sure what you are asking.

I mean DuckDuckGo where it comes from! From any country/region is located?

they are located here!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paoli,_Pennsylvania
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: jraju on July 12, 2015, 10:10:48 PM
Hi, Julian,
                     When i made searches in duckduckgo, there is no page end for searches, it continuously uploading page after page.
                                 One thing also i noticed, After a few search on the contents of the search item, it also gives unwanted sites, which does not find in words in search items. How it is and is there a filter to effect that.
                                      I know that you will not buy that argument, anyhow, it was the case. After showing  search results, it add unwanted sites link in between them. Was there any bug? Or the site has been intruded .
                                             
Title: Re: Debating the integrity of Search engines.
Post by: Samson on July 13, 2015, 03:58:05 AM
Hi, Julian,
                     When i made searches in duckduckgo, there is no page end for searches, it continuously uploading page after page.
                                 One thing also i noticed, After a few search on the contents of the search item, it also gives unwanted sites, which does not find in words in search items. How it is and is there a filter to effect that.
                                      I know that you will not buy that argument, anyhow, it was the case. After showing  search results, it add unwanted sites link in between them. Was there any bug? Or the site has been intruded .
                                           

Go into settings and enable "page breaks" if you want that, turn off adverts, and use more specific search terms.