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Boggin:
I've done a repair install on my Win 10 to see that the Win 10 bootable disk I'd created worked, but that was from inside Windows - not sure how you managed for to get the disk to read.

Anyway, hope that does it for you.

Xas1953NC:
Hello Boggin, The Recovery disc came with the computer. I first tried to do a repair but that failed. I then tried to retain my own files and then do a Recovery. that also failed so I had to a straight recovery and that worked but I lost all my own files. I read earlier today that the Anniversary W10 update came out yesterday. I wonder if that was being downloaded although I did not see any notification saying this was so and I wonder if I may have turned off the computer whilst it was doing so. The computer came with W10 installed.

Boggin:
Sorry to hear that you've lost all of your files.

I think you'd know about it if the Autumn Update was in progress.

While I used the manual download button for it, it's been installing on my upgraded laptop for the last two hours with a couple of restarts.

Not sure what it's doing now as normally I'd have had a blue screen with it counting off the % but it's been on just a black screen with a twirling busy for the last half hour - wondering if it has stuck, but I suppose as long as something is moving then something is working - just hope it hasn't gotten stuck in trying to install some part of it.

Xas1953NC:
Hello Boggin, I discovered the reason for the failure. I had pulled down ClassicShell as I do not like W10's Start Menu. On Tuesday I went to the website and saw an update this being 4.3.0 so downloaded it. Instead of installing a panel flashed up and disappeared quickly so tried again with the same result. I continued to use the desktop as normal and powered down as normal. Yesterday morning it could not boot up and the rest you know. Today I went to the website and in red text is a paragraph saying that on Tue, for a few hours, a hacker had accessed the program which resulted in anyone endeavoring to install it would find their computer unable to boot up........ Version 4.3.0 is still the latest version but will now install ok.

Boggin:
Who'd have thought that was the problem.

I'm not sure what that recovery disk is that you have as you can create a system repair disk as well as a Win 10 bootable disk with which you can boot into the recovery options or do a repair install so that you don't lose your files.

I'm not sure if this would work on a machine that came with Win 10 preinstalled but you can change the bootmenupolicy so that you get the F2 and F12 prompt as you switch on - this also gives you the F8 or equivalent for the make & model of computer.

It's possible the F8 could have helped by giving you the option to restore to an earlier point.

While this increases the boot time to that of a Win 7 machine, it's handy should you not be able to get into Windows.

To do this, open a Command Prompt (Admin) and enter bcdedit

That should pop up a window where you need to check if it displays current or default next to Default - that is the Identifier.

Mine is current so I'll use that as an example.

Enter bcdedit /set {current} bootmenupolicy legacy

That should return as successful.

Enter exit to close the cmd window then go to Power Options - click on Choose what closing the lid does then on Change settings that are currently unavailable and uncheck the box for fast start up.

Shutdown and then switch back on and you'll see the keys as they were in Win 7.

To revert, redo the bcdedit command again changing legacy for standard and re-check the fast startup box.

You can use the F2 key to boot into the Bios (Setup) to change the boot order so that it permanently reads the DVD and USB drives before the HDD so that you can boot up with either of those disks should you have problems in the future.

You may have different options with an EUFI boot as I don't have an EUFI machine to compare with.

You can create the latest version of Win 10 which includes the Autumn update by using the Media Creation Tool (MCT).

Download that lower down the page at https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 and use the second option for installing on another PC and use the ISO option - clicking on Save on the download.

This is a 3.37GB download.

You can use Windows USB/DVD Burner Tool to create bootable media of your choice.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/windows-usb-dvd-download-tool

It would be prudent to create external full system images as you add to your files.

There's a couple of ways that you can do this, All Control Panel Items - File history and click on System image and backup in the bottom left corner or Control Panel - System and Security/backup and restore (Windows 7).

Insert/plug in the external media then click on Create a system image.

You'll also see the option to create a System Repair disk.

Tapping F8 as you switch on or booting up with the system repair disk will lead you to restoring with your system image.

BTW - I don't mind the Win 10 default start menu as it is, although I don't know what it will look like after the Autumn update - still haven't managed to update to that :(

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